my old boss — who fired me — works at my new company

A reader writes:

I am in a very awkward situation and hope you might have some thoughts on how to handle it. A few months ago, I had been working a contract position at a large company. My boss at the company became unhappy with my performance and complained to my contracting agency, which put me on a performance improvement plan, bust still asked me to continue out my contract for approximately the next two months.

Some of the items noted in areas for improvement were accurate (I was not working as hard as I should have been) but some seemed to be just made up, and so I refused to sign it and resigned the next day, without giving any notice. (This is absolutely not how I would normally handle things, but I was at the end of my rope at this point, as the boss at the company berated me in front of my coworkers for about two hours the previous day.)

Fast forward a few months and I am soon to be in a position where I must work at the same company (not in the same department) as the boss who originally complained about me. (This company is one of the largest in my area, and while I tried to avoid it, this was where I was able to get badly needed work.)

If I meet this person at the company/have to work on projects with him, how should I handle this situation? He is very emotionally volatile, so I am afraid that talking to him could possibly make things worse. And finally, I don’t want to dredge up gossip about my past to cowworkers who don’t know about it, and although it is a large company, I worry about it.

Ouch. This … is not good.

If your boss relays what happened at your last company — completely factually, sticking only to facts that you yourself don’t dispute — you’re going to look pretty bad. You weren’t working as hard as you should and it was bad enough that you were put on a formal improvement plan. You refused to sign a warning, which is never, ever a good idea — it just makes you look like a pain in the ass because it’s not a contract that you’d be signing to indicate agreement; you’d only be signing to indicate you received it. And resigning with no notice is only excusable in rare circumstances.

So while your boss may have been a horrid jerk, a factual recounting of your own behavior is not going to look good.

And if your boss decides to share that, at a minimum it’s going to impact the way you’re seen at your new company.

Unfortunately, there’s not a whole lot you can do about that. I’ll apologize in advance for preaching at you, but this situation is exactly why you shouldn’t burn bridges or act unprofessionally, no matter how you might feel you’re being provoked. You just never know when you’re going to encounter those people again or in what context, or when your reputation will catch up with you in some other way.

But that’s not helpful to you now, of course. I think all you can really do now is ensure that your performance and behavior at your new company are so outstanding that anyone who hears from your old boss about you will give you the benefit of the doubt, because you’ll be such a shining example of professionalism and high performance that you’ll have made it impossible for them to put much stock in such an outlandish report.

But yeah, this is why this stuff matters.

{ 91 comments… read them below }

  1. Joey*

    What I’d be more concerned with was whether or not you listed that job on your employment application at new job. If you did and were truthful about your reason for leaving I wouldn’t worry so much. After all they hired you with at least some of that knowledge however you spun it.

    If you didn’t well you’re going to have to forever be prepared that this may be something you might be fired over.

  2. Koos*

    This is the first time I’ve seen a question here answered in purely such a way as to make an example of the person who asked it.

    1. Ask a Manager* Post author

      I don’t think that’s accurate — I told her why the situation is difficult and what she can do about it now (although those options are limited). But I’m not going to not point out the obvious.

      Plus, I’d argue that the majority of letters on this blog serve as examples to others.

      1. Bean*

        Alison answered honestly; this is a very unfortunate situation that OP is in, but they are the ones who put themselves in this position by their prior work performance.

        I think that sometimes people expect Alison to pull some magic rainbow unicorn out of a hat that will fix the OP’s situation, but the reality is that some situations just suck. Sometimes the best advice is the advice Alison gave; honest advice about the situation and WHY what OP did was bad so that her readers will make sure not to make the same mistake.

        1. RJ*

          I would submit many, many more questions — few of them work-related — if Alison could provide magic rainbow unicorms to answer them.

    2. Harryv*

      And what is wrong with that? This is real talk. If people can’t handle the truth, you can go elsewhere. The fact remains that the OP made a textbook mistake and there is no way to spin it to appear there is any silver lining.

  3. LadyTL*

    I just want to mention that in some larger companies I have worked for, there can be language on the PIP that says if you sign that you do agree with everything written in it, including that the complaints are true. I can see someone not wanting to sign one with that language, particularly if some complaints are made up.

    1. Ed*

      I’ve always seen a spot to write a comment in these situations. I suppose you could write that you respectfully disagree with the assessment and like AAM said, you’re just acknowledging receipt.

      1. Jessa*

        Yeh even if you stick something in the signature space, write SOMETHING if you disagree with the thing. I hate the kind where they give you zero space to even remotely comment.

    2. anon-2*

      Been there, done that. I refused to sign one, and it eventually ended up being expunged by mutual agreement. In a past job.

      “Attitude problem”, caused by something stupid my manager and his director did. I won’t go into it here, but needless to say – yes, I agreed my attitude had soured, but with good cause.

      I was actually being thrown down the stairs for my reaction after they did something dastardly to me. Again, it was pretty nasty – and most people would have quit on the spot, or reported it to HR. But anyway, on to the bogus review….

      I explained that – if this were to go “on the record” — I would be forced to reply to it. “That would serve no positive purpose for anyone.”

      I had three choices – sign off on it without comment, or “respectfully disagree”, and end my career.

      Sign off on it, but reply honestly, and end my job with that company – but almost certainly end the careers of my two superiors shortly thereafter.

      The third choice = refuse to sign it. That sets up a confrontation and HR will be involved. It also gave them a chance to think over what they were doing, and a chance to back away from it.

      They did. My immediate manager wanted to carry it through; his boss (director) thought otherwise – realizing that lose-lose is not a great management strategy. As a manager – if you go down a L-L path – YOU’RE A LOSER!

      1. bob*

        Oh man now I NEED to know! I have a couple of stories myself that might be too long for the comments…

    3. Harryv*

      The fact that they wanted them to remain there for 10 more months showed that her performance wasn’t THAT bad. Or else they would’ve been fired. Not signing and quitting the following day simply validated the incompetence of the employee.

      1. Jean*

        Actually, they wanted her to remain for only _two_ more months (see last sentence of first paragraph).

  4. ThursdaysGeek*

    I’m reading this that she is back at the same large company as before, probably still as a contractor, but in a different area. That doesn’t change the advice, of course.

    1. Anon - 345*

      The way I read this is that she got the PIP from the contracting agency, not from the boss… I am wondering what the contracting agency told the boss and how that was relayed. This piece of info could make all the diffecent. Contracts get ended early all the time.

    2. Brton3*

      No, she said “I must work at the same company … as the boss who originally complained about me,” not that she is at the same company she was at previously. It is confusingly worded but I think if she were at the very same company as before, there would be a lot more other issues and a lot of other people who would know the situation. Plus I doubt that company would ever have hired her again!

  5. KarenT*

    OP, my advice to you would be go to this manager and say, “Bob, welcome to New Company. Looking forward to working with you again.” Even if Bob suspects you are insincere, he will see you are going to play nice and not cause any awkwardness or drama.
    You should also be job searching.

      1. Cake Wad*

        I don’t think straight-up apologizing is in order, but perhaps something like this: “Things have changed a lot for me since last we worked together and I look forward to getting our working relationship back on the right foot.”

        1. Jamie*

          I like that. If it were me I’d feel I needed to address it head on, otherwise it would always be the elephant in the room – at least for me.

          And if I were on the old bosses side, this would go a long way to me having an open mind this time around rather than just assuming nothing has changed.

          A lot of us have made mistakes and learned from them – few people hold grudges forever and refuse to acknowledge growth.

          1. FD*

            I agree. If I didn’t address it, I’d feel horribly awkward and nervous that Old Boss would bring it up. I love your phrasing, Cake Wad!

        2. Poe*

          I did this. There was fault on both sides (seriously horrible working environment, but I did not do anything mature or professional to deal with it), but it really helped smooth the way to work together on a project. Eat the crow and just do it.

      2. Jessa*

        I would not even mention it unless someone else brings it up. There’s a possibility that nobody else there is going to bring it up or care. If it’s a different department/different boss, etc. The agency would not have sent the OP back if they weren’t okay to do this job. Go in and do the work.

  6. Mena*

    Keep your head up, do you job, over-do your job and try your best to stay out of his way. Work HARD to establish yourself as reliable and thorough and hope that this impression is in place BEFORE this guy figures out that you are back. (and he will figure out that you’re back – it is just a matter of when)

    You have to get your credibility established quickly to buffer the coming storm.

    Good luck –

    1. Chinook*

      I agree – you need to work hard now so that you can establish a reputation with your current manager that will be so stellar that they will question the authenticity of what old manager is saying (or, at the very least, say “that doesn’t sound like the OP I know”).

      If, as the OP implies, the old manager is overly emotional and even irrational or is known to lie, your new manager probably is already aware of her reputation and will take anything said with a rgain of salt. But, the only way for this to work in your favour now is to become a model employee with your current manager now in hopes that it will wipe out your past deeds.

      What I can’t get over is that the contracting agency sent you back to the same employer. Either they are short of staff, horribly mismanaged or are aware of extenutating circumstances around your old position that allowed them to risk you going back there again.

      1. Jamie*

        This is so much better than what I was thinking – a bad dye job and affecting a British accent. That’s what Madonna did when she reinvented herself – but everyone knows she’s still from Detroit. Doesn’t work.

        But seriously ITA with just kicking 7 kinds of ass and replacing your old reputation with a new one.

      2. Jessa*

        Exactly. The contract company sent the OP back. This means that they either KNEW the first boss was a little off, or decided that the OP knows better now and has changed and is worthy of going back there. Either way they wouldn’t risk their rep with this company for no reason.

  7. KarenT*

    I find it interesting that this letter appeared right after “how to repair a bad job history.” Of course it’s easier to avoid damage than to repair it, but both OPs are in positions where it is too late.
    There is the possibility this manager may keep his mouth shut. If you were applying for a job, of course he’d weigh in but since you are already there, he may not.

  8. Yup*

    Tough situation. I don’t know if there’s a lot you can do about the old boss, given the history (and his volatility). You might need to take your cues from how he behaves to you – politely aloof if he’s politely aloof, apologetic if he’s kind and friendly, courteously firm if he’s combative, etc.

    But what you can influence is creating a strong impression and track record with your new department. Ideally you can jump right into doing great work and being excellent. This will give your new team evidence to dilute any criticism that might come via your old boss. That way, if it ever comes up, you can honestly say to your new boss, “I worked for Old Boss for X months and it became difficult towards the end. I’m not proud of how I acted at that point, but I’ve learned from it and am committed to doing great work here for you.” And the new boss will be able to see that it’s true, based on your stellar performance in your current role.

  9. Coraline*

    Alison’s right that your best defense is being the best new hire they’ve seen in a decade, but remember: this guy was willing to lie about you and drove you to resigning without notice. He is not blameless here. If you encounter him, react with cool politeness and professionalism, and nothing more. If you do wind up working on projects with him, practice extreme CYA by making sure there are witnesses and written records of all your interactions. If gossip starts, say only that there are always two sides to every story. Focus on what really matters here – your new job – and ignore the jerk down the hall as much as possible.

    1. LisaLyn*

      Also, it could be that others at the company have seen this guy’s behavior and know he can be a jerk. That may work in the OP’s favor. “Oh, THAT guy didn’t like you? Well, you must be great then,” or something. :)

    2. Colette*

      We don’t know the old boss was willing to lie – it could have been a legitimate difference of opinion, or it could be that the boss had bad information, or that the OP didn’t think something was important but the boss did. Any of those could have been discussed/cleared up at the time – but the OP chose not to do that.

      1. Pussyfooter*

        Even if Old Boss was factually wrong and lacked professionalism, being clueless and lying are 2 different things.

  10. WorkingMom*

    Rough situation… like AAM said, be so incredible that it outweighs your previous behavior. I saw a saying once that said, “Live in a such a way that if anyone heard anything negative about you – they wouldn’t believe it.” That might be a good reminder to get you through any rough times! Good luck!

  11. Em*

    It sounds to me like the letter writer is working at the same company again, not a new company where the previous boss now works.

    1. dejavu2*

      I’m reading it as a different large company, and that OP is saying she tried to avoid going there because she knew old-boss had moved there, but that her options were limited.

  12. JenTheNiceHRGirl*

    And if anyone ever approaches you regarding the gossip, not stooping to this former manager’s level would be helpful. I would just say “that’s disappointing that Bob said that about me. We certainly had differences in opinions/communication styles/etc…but there are no hard feelings” then just change the subject. If this guy truly is a jerk, his true colors will soon show and anyone he bad mouths you to, won’t take what he says seriously.

    1. Lora*

      “If this guy truly is a jerk, his true colors will soon show and anyone he bad mouths you to, won’t take what he says seriously.”

      THIS. My last boss was the King Of All Jerks, Everywhere. Within six months of his starting, two entire departments complained to the director about his behavior and attitude, and 80% of his staff quit. He tried to get contractors and they actually refused to work for him on account of his reputation for jerkishness–instead, the director had to hire them, promising that they work for the director rather than boss. Nobody takes him seriously anymore and it makes him even angrier and more frustrated.

  13. JenTheNiceHRGirl*

    Also, I had a sort of similar situation once. My first, out of college, job had me working with the most horrific manager. She was so incredibly mean to me and I never did figure out why. Her meanness is now what I would consider to be harassment. Anyway, I moved on and years later a colleague of mine stated that he interviewed her for a position with his organization and that in the interview (when he asked her if she knew me as we had worked at the same company previously) she just ripped me to shreds. He told me that she seemed like a bitter, miserable person and obviously didn’t know me one bit because nothing she said about me was accurate. So based on my experience, I am going to say that I agree that Allison’s advice is perfect. If you are an awesome employee, your new coworkers wont take this former manager seriously. I am purposely not addressing the circumstances surrounding your departure… as that is done and over with and you can’t change what happened. It is best to simply focus on the future and what you can control. Good luck.

  14. Anonymous*

    Definitely take everyone’s advice about knocking it out of the park – I doubt you have just your former boss to worry about, especially if you’re at the same company again.

  15. Ed*

    It’s tough not to get on your soapbox when discussing these issues but people need to learn that actions have consequences. I’m as guilty as the next guy of burning bridges when I was younger and got lucky that it never came back on me (that I know of) but I understand now that it was just that – luck. The instant satisfaction of sticking it to the other person/company wears off quickly but the repercussions can come years later.

    Personally, I stay completely calm in these situations because I’ve learned over the years that nothing enrages somebody trying to screw more than you being nice about it:)

    1. KellyK*

      Legally, it’s allowed unless you have a contract prohibiting it, but most places it will make you ineligible for rehire, make people angry, and burn bridges.

      In terms of what’s professional, I think it’s only appropriate in a situation that’s really drastic–sexual harassment or serious bullying that the company won’t address, the job being unsafe or literally making you sick. But that’s not a rule so much as an opinion.

      1. Chinook*

        I second that leaving without notice should only be done if your safety is threatened or if something illegal is going on (or if you are so incapacitated that you are unable to communicate to anyone where you are but, in that case, you better be hooked up machines that make lots of noise when you stop breathing). Anything else is survivable (with the added bonus that you are getting paid to be there).

    2. Jamie*

      I personally wouldn’t leave without notice unless I feared for my safety or there was an illegal situation going on. If a place is truly horrible I’d only give the two weeks – but I can deal with pretty much anything when there is a light at the end of the tunnel only a couple of weeks out.

      But even if others are behaving egregiously not everyone will know that and to some people you’ll always be the one who just up and left.

      So for me – I’d have to be in fear of my physical safety or in an illegal situation to risk my reputation by cutting and running.

      1. Lindsey*

        In my case there was an illegal situation going on – the owner was collecting our state withholding taxes, but not paying them on to the Department of Revenue. The DOR turned up asking questions about where to find the owner and scared me silly.

      2. anon-2*

        I once resigned from a job, not because I was asked to do anything that was illegal, but was definitely unethical.

        Management had that little bit of yellow – and backed off. I went back to work after a one-day hiatus.

    3. dejavu2*

      I’ve quit without notice twice. The first time, there were illegal shenanigans, I wasn’t being paid what I had been promised, and my supervisor was out of control and would do things like scream because the color-coding on the filing system needed to be completely redone (according to her head). She was also a raving bigot and would spend literally (and I use that term in the traditional sense) hours every day ranting about Jews, African Americans, and gays (I’m a lesbian). The final straw was when she made a completely baseless and deeply offensive remark about the tragic and untimely death of my best friend. It was just all so beyond the pale. She tried to trash me in the aftermath, but everyone in that field knows she is deranged so it actually boosted my street-cred that I had the spine to just walk away.

      The other time, an unexpected negative event required me to immediately move across the country to be with my parents. Once that situation resolved, that employer allowed me to return, and it did not appear to have damaged that relationship at all because they were very understanding.

      1. Chinook*

        It is too bad that you ahd to leave without notice due to a family tragedy, dejavu2, but I am willing to bet that you made the conscience decision that family trumped the job and were grateful that the job took you back, right? So yours is the perfect example of making a choice that risked turning out bad but being worth the consequences.

        1. Iain Clarke*

          I suspect you meant “conscious decision”, but I rather like the idea of a “conscience decision” too!

    4. Anonymous*

      My manager sees absolutely nothing wrong with throwing his employees under the bus by booting them out the door on the same day that they give notice.

      I’m very actively looking for other jobs (and am close to an offer at what appears to be an excellent company). Guess how many nanoseconds of notice he’ll get from me?

    5. oneblankspace*

      I would consider a military spouse moving as a result of a stateside redeployment of the servicemember to be an acceptable reason.

      1. Cat*

        Are people usually redeployed stateside with zero notice? I thought the policy was to give returning service members and their families some notice and readjustment time for psychological reasons whenever possible, and certainly not just to force families to up and move with less than two weeks notice.

    6. Jim*

      I quit my job with out notice after getting punched in the face and the boss did nothing about it. In fact his idea was I’d finish work early (missing out on hours / pay) so I didn’t have to work on my own with the guy that hit me.

      1. Poe*

        Hooray for other people getting punched in the face at work! Although for me it was not a co-worker, but a customer. People are crazy.

    7. Lora*

      I’ve done it once, when my boss was insisting I do something seriously illegal or be fired–when the regulators themselves were conducting an audit in a conference room not 10 feet away. The boss ended up contacting me a week later with an apology and saying he hoped there were no hard feelings. Probably because if I had walked the 10 feet or so down the hall and said, “hey guys, can you look at this paperwork because I don’t quite understand how this is legal…?” the company would have been in the hole for a LOT of money and gotten a Warning Letter (typically the step before the FDA shuts you down).

      That was not usual though.

        1. Lora*

          The asking people to do something illegal or me quitting without notice over it?

          If it’s the first one, I agree, it’s sadly not that unusual. However, in other instances where it sorta looked like I *might* be asked to do something shady, I made a point of stating up front that I believe strongly in doing the best, most ethical work I possibly can, and said, when I needed to, “I am not comfortable with that, I prefer to do (right way) instead. I think that would be better for all of us in the long run.” And that put an end to it. Either they asked someone else or I was able to marshal enough troops on my side that the asker backed down and I didn’t have to do anything particularly drastic.

  16. Laura*

    Alison is right – the best way to handle this is to be an outstanding employee in every regard.

    I had an absolutely horrible manager a few years ago – the level of our dislike for each other was truly epic. I thought he was extremely arrogant and thought way too highly of himself – with nothing to back it up – and he thought I was rude and condescending. After about 6 months a position in another group opened up, working for a manager that I got along with very well, and I jumped at it.

    Fast forward a few months and it turned out that I had to work with that same former awful manager on part of a huge project. I was very, very apprehensive about it, and told my new boss that, and she basically told me to suck it up and deal with it. And as it turned out, working with that guy as a peer was a completely different experience than working with him as a direct report.

    It could be the same situation here. Working with him as a peer might be totally different. However, steer clear of him, and if you do encounter him, be courteous and professional. If he starts attacking you in a meeting or other public setting, ask to speak with him alone and say that the way things ended last time was unfortunate, but it’s in the past and suggest starting with a clean slate.

    If your new manager brings any of this up, just say, “Well, there is definitely some history there, and I do share some of the responsibility for it. But it’s in the past, and I’m hoping we can leave it there and turn the page.” And then, no matter how horrible he is, never ever say anything bad about him. It will show that you’re being mature and professional, and it will make him look bad.

    1. IndieGir*

      “If your new manager brings any of this up, just say, “Well, there is definitely some history there, and I do share some of the responsibility for it. But it’s in the past, and I’m hoping we can leave it there and turn the page.” ”

      +1000000000 for that.

  17. Mike C.*

    Being the most badass employee is going to neutralize any pain you might suffer from this former boss. You have a clean slate here, and if you’re successful it becomes a case of “do I trust your former boss or my lying eyes”.

    Best of luck, we’re all rooting for you!

  18. Anonymous*

    Should the OP give his/her actual boss a heads up? I’d hate for my new boss to be blindsided with this…

    1. Anonymous*

      To clarify: I’m envisioning Old Boss recognizing OP and running to his/her New Boss and telling NB about how horrid he/she is.

      Do we want to head that off at the pass?

      1. Kayza*

        The OP should only try that if he (she?) is willing to take a bit more responsibility here. The boss may very be as unstable and volatile as he says. And berating a person for two hours, in front of co-workers no less, is NOT ok. But the fact still remains that he walked off a job with no notice rather than agree to a PIP that was at least partially accurate – and which could easily have been completely appropriate by the OP’s own description.

        A lot of people hearing this presentation of the story are not going to be impressed with the OP, even if the “evil Boss” is even worse than OP makes him out. They are likely to think “well that’s the quality staff you get when you’re a jerk…” or “it sounds like they deserved each other.”

        On the other hand, a presentation that is low key, doesn’t dump on the old boss, takes responsibility and focuses on lessons learned and the positive changes since could be helpful.

  19. Not So NewReader*

    I am just curious, how come the old boss needed a new job? Did he get fired, too?

    Let’s see. OP walked a couple months ago. Found a new job. (A feather in your cap, OP, for finding something fairly quick.) Then suddenly old boss appears on the scene. How come the old boss suddenly moved on?

    I bet things weren’t so happy in happy-dale for the old boss. If I were subjected to a two hour tirade by my boss about any of my coworkers, I would know I have to move on. How many people left after you did, OP?

    It is a one in a million long shot, OP, but maybe the guy is more concerned about what YOU will say about HIM.

    My advice is a little addition to all the good advice here. OP, learn people’s names and job titles. Be able to say hello to everyone you meet in the morning. Let yourself be seen as that “nice, new fellow over in department x”. Be conversational with everyone who speaks to you (but not long convos, of course). Don’t talk about people, don’t berate people. Your behavior will raise you up over the situation.
    This takes time. But yes, you can rise above it.

    I have had bad days at work where I come home and just read the news headlines. People go to jail for what they have done at work, OP. The problems you have had in the past are not something that will land you in jail. Hang on to that perspective. Millions of people have done what you did, they survived.

  20. Jean*

    Thanks for posting this comment. You’ve really put it in perspective. I would add one other qualifier: Whatever mistakes one might make can be viewed with some calmness as long as nobody died or suffered any massive, impossible-to-amend injustice as a consequence. I only wish my younger (and much more insecure) working self could have read this.

    1. Not So NewReader*

      Yes, not every situation is a five alarm fire- although it does feel like that sometimes! I think if OP is prepared to briefly state what he learned from the previous situation AND his walk matches his talk then he will be okay.
      (Ex: “I learned that I needed to meet my deadlines. That is why you see my work consistently being done on time.” OR “Yes, it’s true, I did walk out of that job but I have learned that I cannot stand how guilty I felt. I actually had a painful knot in my stomach. I can’t do it again I must develop different ways of dealing with my quandaries.”)

  21. anon-2*

    In my profession – IS/IT — people moved around a lot in the 70s -90s. They don’t anymore, due to the economy.

    One thing that everyone knows — you make your mistakes in your first one, or two, or three jobs, and learn from them and move on.

    This dilemma might not be as bad as it sounds. Remember, OP remarked that he/she made mistakes in the first job.

    Did anyone ever think that “bad manager” may ALSO have made mistakes in the previous job, and is ALSO less likely to repeat them?

    Some folks that I conflicted with in my first job (10 years, place where you learned and moved on) – I ran into in “later lives” – and got along with them quite well. I like to think I matured – and learned from my errors and the errors of others.

    As a result – the new relationship will likely be different. And it may be better. Proceed with caution, but, DO proceed.

  22. Joe*

    Depends on him, does he talk a lot? If yes, then just tell a few people that you left because he lied, had a bad temper, and he’s a psycho. If he’s going to narrate your story poorly, make sure you counter it by discrediting him. However, if he’s staying quiet about you then return the favor. And you better step it up at work because if he says those things about you and they are still true today at this job, then you are going down.

  23. love_th_neighbour2*

    The problem with you guys in the working world is that you tend to think that you are perfect, or that your boss is perfect. Even if your old boss tells something bad that you did in the past, you have already been punished by being fired. It is unfair to keep following you with it. Those bosses themselves are not perfect. They embellish theior company profiles too, and compete with other companies in the same way. If these leaders are not evolved enough to let us the beginners grow, and give us the punishment we deserve (sacking us), and if your new boss cannpot understand that humans do have emotions and that you had already been punished and you have learnt, then where is the world going? Is it not better to employ someone who has learnt, than someone who has npot yet learnt? If they sack you based on your past punishment, you can sue them. Leaders do not even know what forgiveness means? Is money so hostile?

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