Comments on: it’s your Friday good news https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html Mon, 23 Nov 2020 14:18:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: Lily Rowan https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3194772 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 14:18:19 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3194772 In reply to BellaMD.

Alison’s own background is in nonprofits, so she’s got a lot of great advice there!

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By: Nonprofit OP https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3194470 Sun, 22 Nov 2020 22:30:37 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3194470 In reply to Maxie.

Housing is slightly cheaper in one of our target cities and taxes are lower, but we live in a pretty affordable area already. There are definitely some federal job opportunities in the new location, more than in our current location. My partner is a veteran and a former federal employee, so we have options there, too. For me, slightly less money would totally be worth less winter. Covid has brought into sharp focus how much winter affects my happiness – I’ve just lived with it my whole life, so I haven’t considered how unhappy I am.

I used to be in academia in the humanities, so the fact that my job is so portable now (precisely the opposite of academia) is so freeing. My partner is also a civil engineer, so we both have these easily portable, practical careers. I went to a bougie college as a first gen college student, and all of my friends have cool and/or elite careers that I find myself jealous of. But there is something freeing about being in a partnership where we have low stress, recession resistant jobs.

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By: Nonprofit OP https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3194254 Sun, 22 Nov 2020 16:03:22 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3194254 In reply to BellaMD.

It’s professional like the corporate world, and it has a lot of women in it. My Guess!

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By: Peter Piper Picked a Peck of Pickled Peppers https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3194168 Sun, 22 Nov 2020 11:16:08 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3194168 So happy to hear everyone’s good news.

OP2 and OP4—thanks for sharing your strategies! I can see how some of these will work really well for me. I’m in a low-key job search at the moment, but will probably ramp it up early in the new year.

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By: TardyTardis https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3194114 Sun, 22 Nov 2020 04:24:46 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3194114 In reply to LW#4.

Yes, the urge to gloat, if only inwardly, will fade with time. But for now, enjoy!

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By: Yet Another Nonprofit Employee https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193995 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 23:10:17 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193995 Congrats to all LW!

Re: LW2, I now work at a nonprofit, having made the leap from the corporate world a few years back. I knew the range of what they were offering, so when I got the initial offer—which was lower than my current salary, and also lower than the top of the salary range (but not by much in either case)—I told them, “I love this org, but given my experience, I’d like to ask for $TopRange.” And I got it.

That relatively small dollar amount bought them years of loyalty (in an org where longevity and relationships matter). And I have to think the hiring manager knew that. I DO love the org and I’m glad to be here. Had the difference been greater, and/or I had been less enthusiastic about the org and its mission, I would have either made more of it or turned down the job. Plus I learned I could, in fact, stand up for what I’m worth.

Like LW2, I think the key here is knowing what your job typically earns in relationship to your experience; knowing the salary range the org is offering; and holding firm to what you’re willing to take. The difference between $45k and $60k is pretty big; but the gap between $55k to $60k is not that great… ESPECIALLY considering that your grantwriting expertise could bring them in that much or more in your first year alone! Good for you for holding out.

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By: J.B. https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193523 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 15:03:36 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193523 I’m so happy to hear these!

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By: Director of Alpaca Exams https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193308 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 03:11:28 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193308 In reply to Nonprofit OP.

My partner and I recently had separate conversations with higher-level managers who bluntly said, “Your career advancement path may take you out of this company, we understand that, and we want to help you build skills to achieve your goals, even if we end up not being able to keep you.” My partner’s manager said “I’m loyal to my team, not to the company” and mine said “Let’s be real, I don’t expect to retire here”. I’m in media and my partner’s in tech. So the assumption of job-hopping isn’t just a nonprofit thing, and I’m glad managers are finally willing to talk about it openly and not see it as a threat.

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By: LW#4 https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193304 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 03:01:23 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193304 I’m happy to report that two weeks in, the new job is indeed great! I love the work, the company culture is welcoming and functional, and there are genuine paths for advancement. About once a day I mentally compose a letter to my ex-boss telling him how much I hated working for him and how much happier I am now, and then I mentally bin it and go on with my life. I expect that urge will fade with time. I’m so grateful to AAM and the commentariat for the repeated descriptions of jobs that aren’t horrible; it really helped to counter the voice in my head telling me that I’d never find anything better.

My partner’s salary negotiations went well too: he asked for a 20% raise and got 15% plus concrete objectives to earn a 5% annual bonus. Assuming all continues well, the total difference to our household income from my new job and his promotion will be enough to pay off the debt we’ve been carrying around for twenty years. If you need motivation to ask for what you’re worth, think concretely about what you can do with that extra money. Especially if you’re living paycheck to paycheck, one good raise can truly change your life. Ask!

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By: Lucien Nova https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193298 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 02:52:55 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193298 Yay for all of you, especially LW 4! Congratulations!

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By: Director of Alpaca Exams https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193293 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 02:44:17 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193293 In reply to TootsNYC.

That’s really kind of you! I’m definitely going to do that in the future.

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By: BellaMD https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193288 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 02:29:55 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193288 So many letter writers work at non-profits. Is there a link to this sector and AAM? Just curious!

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By: Disguised as me https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193250 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 00:57:15 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193250 Thank you for sharing your strategies and successes! Congratulations!

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By: JobHunter https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193229 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 00:03:16 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193229 In reply to TootsNYC.

I had one reference ask for a table that compared the listing requirements with my qualifications side-by-side. I just started giving that out to all of my refs. They all said they appreciated it!

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By: AGD https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193150 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 22:21:42 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193150 Fantastic!

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By: Massmatt https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193128 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 22:08:13 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193128 In reply to caro.

Yes, both prepping your references with things to focus on AND giving some insight on the reference sheet as to what each person can talk about are EXCELLENT.

I am probably not alone in simply alerting my references that someone may be calling them and what the job is but that’s kind of it, and my list of references is just that, simply names, positions, and contact info. And now that feels kind of dumb! I will steal these ideas in a future job search for sure.

Congrats to all the LW’s!

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By: SansaStark https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193084 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 21:33:30 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193084 In reply to Nonprofit OP.

I also can’t scientifically confirm, but in my 15 years of experience in/with nonprofits you almost always have to leave your organization to make those $10,000-$15,000+/mid-career jumps .

I really love that wording about staying long-term! It’s really honest but in a way that’s tactful and shows them how they’ll benefit, too.

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By: Bookworm https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193025 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 20:38:37 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193025 :) Happy Friday and thanks to all the LWs fro sharing!

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By: Maxie https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3193003 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 20:26:10 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3193003 In reply to Nonprofit OP.

How is the cost of living in those cities compared to where you live now? How would your lifestyle change in a new city based on the salaries they pay for the work you do? I’ve moved to different parts of the country several time in my adult life and one of the things that was huge plus for me was moving from places with winter to places without winter. That was huge improvement in my life.

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By: Southern Ladybug https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192988 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 20:14:56 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192988 In reply to TootsNYC.

That’s a great list – I usually ask for the PD etc. I really like your additional questions to be a valuable reference.

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By: WFH2020 https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192966 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 19:59:22 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192966 Just like #2, I negotiated my salary for the first time ever and got it. (thanks to AAM)

And just like the OP, OMG I am so glad I did because raises will be on hold for at least two years due to Covid-19.

Congratulations OP2!

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By: Nonprofit OP https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192956 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 19:52:12 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192956 In reply to nonprofit writer.

I live in a medium-large, non-Chicago midwestern city, and nonprofits here tend to pay pretty closely to what they pay in larger cities, but we have a lower cost of living. It’s great! The problem lies in the fact that my partner and I want to move to the Southwest and the jobs I would qualify for in the next few years pay the same as I make now. I’ve been contemplating a shift to government generally, but if we moved, I’d definitely need to make the shift.

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By: SarahKay https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192952 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 19:48:57 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192952 In reply to TootsNYC.

This is such a good idea and not something I’d thought of asking when I’ve been a reference for someone. I shall definitely remember this in future, thank you.

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By: Nonprofit OP https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192951 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 19:47:50 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192951 In reply to CM.

OP here – this is really good language to use in any industry where tenures aren’t meant to be long. Fundraising in particularly has a lot of turnover because there just aren’t a lot of ways to advance unless you go somewhere else. Also, I find (but cannot, like, scientifically confirm) that you will make significantly more money in non-profits if you move than if you advance internally, especially in mid-career roles. For example, I expect my next job to pay between $70-80,000, I would never get that much money with a title change from my current job. The only way I’d get that much money is if I took over my boss’s job, which is 2 steps up from mine.

I also kind of think it’s just the reality of the post-2008 job market – you have to job hop to make money and get the responsibility before landing somewhere longer term. It’s really hard to move from entry-level and 1-5yr experience jobs to a 10yr experience job in the same company, unfortunately.

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By: PhoebeIsMyFavorite https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192928 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 19:36:40 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192928 I love Friday Good News.

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By: TootsNYC https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192906 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 19:23:08 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192906 In reply to caro.

I always has my reference-ees to call me whenever they think I might be getting a call for the job.
They don’t have to call me every time they give my name out, but if they’re getting close, I want them to call me.
I ask them to tell me about the job description, about the interview, what it was they forgot to say, what they think they’re most nervous about in terms of qualifications and skills. Also, I ask them, and I think about on my own, what sorts of things I think the position would need most.

Then I make sure to emphasize the things I know about them that make them a good candidate.

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By: 3DogNight https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192862 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 19:07:11 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192862 These are so amazing, and so uplifting to read, thank you for sharing! I really like the practical tips, too!

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By: Teekanne aus Schokolade https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192802 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:30:52 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192802 #4 – some helpful reminders, go you!!

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By: CM https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192782 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:22:12 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192782 LW#2, that’s a great way to express it, that “$X is the salary that will allow me to stay here long-term, which is my goal.” I’ll remember that one.

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By: nonprofit writer https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192780 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:21:46 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192780 #2, congrats and you are totally right–$60K is a completely appropriate salary for a grantwriter position (especially if you are in a major city) and I’m so glad you fought for it! Thank you for including salaries–it’s so important in the nonprofit world to know what is possible and not undervalue yourself.

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By: TheIdealEmployee https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192709 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:57:15 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192709 LW #4 – I love your last two lines. It’s what I tell everyone around me but never myself. Thank you!

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By: Wine Not Whine https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192616 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:30:51 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192616 These are great updates – congratulations, all!

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By: caro https://www.askamanager.org/2020/11/its-your-friday-good-news-28.html#comment-3192579 Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:21:41 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=20479#comment-3192579 LW #4 – I love the idea of teeing up your references with topics that align with the key job requirements. Nice work and congrats!

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