Comments on: interviewer wants my current employer to say they know I’m looking, friend asking for free work, and more https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:51:59 +0000 hourly 1 By: BabyElephantWalk https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3656443 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:51:59 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3656443 In reply to Stitch.

Yep. I think it’s a sign of how they’ll behave if you leave, but also a sign that they don’t value you enough to be worth risking your job with no offer in place.

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By: Barry https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655731 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 15:29:10 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655731 In reply to memyselfandi.

Amazon was one the companies involved in an anti-poaching scandal, IIRC.

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By: Kimberly https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655622 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:22:39 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655622 In reply to PollyQ.

It’s isn’t weird, especially in software. Have you ever seen a contract? Vendor contracts quite frequently have a “poaching” clause.

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By: CriticalCare https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655222 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 05:01:17 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655222 In reply to Hazel.

I’m in a similar situation as you, except I did negotiate and I ultimately got a much better offer (above what people senior to me were originally making). Apparently many others also behaved similarly. Our market value was actively increasing because of a labor shortage due to COVID-19. They raised everyone’s salaries to maintain equity.

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By: RVA Cat https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655152 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:03:17 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655152 In reply to quill.

They’d probably make you sign a non-compete to not work literally any other job for the rest of your life if you dare leave!

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By: yup https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655149 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 00:58:51 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655149 OP1, you need to run away in the other direction, fast. It sounds like a nasty, toxic culture full of overly controlling people.

Op5, I think you definitely should. I think reference checks from employer to potential employee are basically always either utterly useless or pointlessly damaging, but I think a reference check performed by a potential employee about a potential employer is critically important.

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By: Chickaletta https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655089 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 22:45:33 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655089 In reply to Bookworm.

Came here to echo this – depending what job it is, you may have a real chance. For example, nurses right now are in very high demand and my company is actively reaching out to candidates they rejected recently to see if they want to apply again, so a candidate who rejected them probably stands a real chance. Might be a similar situation in other industries where employees are very much needed – retail? food? services?

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By: EnterpriseRecruiter https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655084 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 22:41:55 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655084 In reply to Observer.

Blanket restrictions negotiated between competitors are illegal. Targeted restrictions between supplier company and customer company are entirely different.

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By: HolidayAmoeba https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655015 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:24:23 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655015 Allison mentions this a lot but I am witnessing firsthand. An employee got a better job offer elsewhere and their HR botched the whole thing and ended up withdrawing the offer. He just got let from us, because while he thought he had a better job and was just waiting for a start date, he let his work slip a LOT. Needless to say, his chickens never hatched.

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By: Sleet Feet https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655010 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:20:29 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655010 In reply to Aitch Arr.

That’s what I’m saying though, the comtract states that a written letter from the candidates supervisor is requied. I’m sure they looked I to that before asking me to produce the letter.

I bowed out of the pool and stated this as the reason why, but it is a choice for the candidate to decide if they want to provide the letter or not.

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By: Observer https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3655000 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:49 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3655000 In reply to Sleet Feet.

There is no doubt about it – so called no poach agreements are illegal.

Primarily The Sherman Act / Anti-trust

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By: Ellis Hubris https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654966 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 20:46:36 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654966 In reply to Aitch Arr.

I didn’t have a contract and it wasn’t the same industry I worked in. It was the servicer of a major client, so not even related to my job specifically. There wouldn’t have even been an issue if I had a non-compete honestly. And all of that was known to the company before they approached me. They were unethical and owed to tell me, where I would have simply not taken the job. Ruining my current position is truly low and one of the issues I see with the ask of the LW #1’s situation.

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By: Ellis Hubris https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654961 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 20:42:57 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654961 In reply to Imaginary Friend.

That’s currently my plan. Revenge can be sweet

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By: Aitch Arr https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654933 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 20:27:18 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654933 In reply to Pay No Attention To The Man Behind The Curtain.

Non-Poaching Agreements may not be legal, but Non-Competes and Non-Solicitation Agreements are under certain circumstances.

Potato/Poh-tah-to

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By: Aitch Arr https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654929 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 20:25:58 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654929 In reply to Sleet Feet.

Even in those situations, the onus is not on the employee/candidate to get ‘permission.’

It’s up to HR or the manager to look into what agreements the company may have with the candidate’s current employer.

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By: Nesprin https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654857 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 19:46:19 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654857 In reply to Where’s the Orchestra?.

“Thank you for your time, but I am unwilling to continue interviewing with a company that has this stance on poaching. I’m formally withdrawing my application”

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By: Julie Hansen https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654847 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 19:41:52 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654847 In reply to PollyQ.

#1 To me, it appears that the company wants to cut off any attempt for them to stay at their old job. They are trying to force them into saying they are leaving and then they will supply a low-ball, bad offer because they have already had you burn your bridges at your current company. They want possession of their employees and feel that they are not allowed to decide for themselves if they want the job, so they are trying to trick them into notifying them and possibly getting fired.

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By: Indy Dem https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654789 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 19:07:43 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654789 In reply to New Job So Much Better.

TIL there is a difference between cheerleading and pompom squads.

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By: No Dumb Blonde https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654768 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:52:41 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654768 In reply to No Dumb Blonde.

… oh, and we had agreed on a contract rate already, which I had in writing in the form of an email from the rep. So I knew exactly what the contract would contain when they were able to forward it.

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By: No Dumb Blonde https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654749 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:42:36 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654749 #1 – this happened to me, but it was handled much better. At the time I worked for one of the Big 4 accounting firms within their consulting division. I live in a very small city where job postings for my particular skillset are few and far between, but I saw the perfect contract position listed on an online job board. Not only was the job local, but the project manager was someone I had worked with before and whom I respected, so I submitted my resume. I received a call immediately from a representative of the staffing company; he informed me right up front they had a business relationship with my current employer but it would only matter if I was offered the job. My interview went very well, and shortly afterward, the rep called to tell me the interviewers had ranked my application the highest and wanted me for the position, but due to their relationship with my current employer, I would have to make sure my current manager knew I had initiated the job search on my own (which was true, I had). I wanted the new job very badly, and would have to give my notice anyway, so it worked out fine. But like this LW, I wouldn’t have agreed to tell my current manager without knowing I had the job.

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By: Public Sector Manager https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654745 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:41:17 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654745 In reply to Roscoe.

I don’t see it as a lack of integrity either, but actions do have consequences. If you never want to go back to the company whose offer you’re rescinding at the last minute, then game on.

About 6 years ago we made an offer to a 3L law student. They asked if they could delay their start date 3 months to do a volunteer internship they scheduled that was taking place after the bar exam. An odd request in my experience because most people want to start working on their career and get paid, but who am I to argue. We agreed. The Friday before their Monday start date, they said they were taking another job.

I still remember their name. And I still would be a “no” on ever extending an offer to them again.

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By: Imaginary Friend https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654733 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:35:46 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654733 In reply to Ellis Hubris.

Yeah, and Glassdoor was founded 14 years ago, so probably all or most of the management has turned over since then. Still, yuck, and I hope that someday you’re in a position to keep some other national company from using this national company.

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By: memyselfandi https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654712 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:28:29 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654712 LW#1 I am wondering if this is Amazon. In their application materials it specifies that you need to get permission from your current employer to talk to them (not the right language, but something like). It is one of a series of check boxes you have to tick. I don’t recall if they give a rationale. I think it might have something to do with the fact that they might have business dealings with your company. I know they also ask current government employees to get an ethics clearance.

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By: Hazel https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654671 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:12:54 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654671 In reply to Bagpuss.

In a way, I think Bagpuss’s situation was better than the one where I hired someone for a full time position who, it turned out, really couldn’t work full time. I was very sympathetic to her situation – her soon-to-be ex-husband had taken their son and moved over 1,000 miles away. She delayed her start date two weeks because she was in the location where her kid was, trying to get him back. After she started, she spent a lot of work time talking to and meeting with her attorney. We might have been able to work with this, but then she stood up a client and said that she had no choice because she was at her lawyer’s office, and the meeting ran late. She didn’t apologize, and she didn’t call me or anyone else to cover over her appointment with the client. I really felt for her, but we needed sometime to actually do the job, so we let her go. She understood and even said that she probably should not have tried to work a full time schedule.

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By: Hazel https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654650 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:03:40 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654650 In reply to Smithy.

Thanks for the responses! I’ll try to put it behind me. :-)

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By: EnterpriseRecruiter https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654647 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:02:42 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654647 Regarding #1, I am in recruiting for a global professional services firm and while not the norm, it sounds like some of our client hiring restrictions. Due to some Master Service Agreements, there are instances where we are not able to hire from clients at all. Other times there are work around like this (we would need permission from the client to proceed first). Typically in those instances, we just let the candidate know we cannot proceed due to the relationship we have with their current employer and we don’t actually ask them to seek permission, but if a candidate was insistent I would share the loop hole with them and let them decide if it was worth it.

Not sure if this is the same situation, but I suspect there is some contractual legal agreement between your employer and the other company.

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By: Hazel https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654633 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:57:24 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654633 In reply to LouLou.

I agree. Let it go for now, look for work elsewhere if the new position really isn’t working out, and then revisit the possibility of applying again at the first company in the future.

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By: Sleet Feet https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654612 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:50:49 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654612 In reply to PT.

Except like you said almost everyone uses Microsoft in business. This is typically more an issue in specialized softwares that have healthy competition. Like accounting software may have a contract about not poaching emyees from small firms to work at their software company.

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By: Sleet Feet https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654607 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:48:19 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654607 In reply to PollyQ.

It’s actually incredibly common when employers may come from a client to a vendor. In fact it’s oftentimes written up in the various contracts, purchasing agreement, business association agreement, etc. Usually the client gets to put a year long exclusion of hire or other stipulations, such as signed letter before interviewing.

At the end of the day the vendors contract may be worth millions annually and that’s not something they are willing to jeopardize to hire one person.

Also my company was very punish those who are looking type, so it wouldnt surprise me that the ones with this crappy view on interviewing are also the ones with the strictist disclosure clauses. I wasn’t even able to compromise and disclose at the point of offer – it was in one of their contracts that they would not interview anyone without that persons supervisors approval.

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By: A Feast of Fools https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654588 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:40:02 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654588 In reply to Cmdrshpard.

I accepted an offer at my current company and then bailed on it a few weeks later.

BUT… I bailed 3-4 weeks before my start date; I apologized *profusely*; I explained that the other offer I’d gotten was for a higher role level and close to double the pay. I asked the genuine question, “What would you do if you were in my shoes?” And the hiring manager said, “I’d take the other job.”

That other job was a sh*tshow but I stayed for a year. I gained enough experience and industry certifications that I was seen as a good fit for a similar role at the place I’d originally bailed on. They reached out to me to see if I’d be interested in taking the higher role at a slightly higher rate than sh*tshow company.

Two years later, I’m still at the company I had originally bailed on and everyone is happy.

We’ve had people quit, realize that the grass isn’t greener, and be welcomed back with open arms. [Someone on my team who left over the summer is coming back December 6 and I am thrilled at her return!]

But we have never, to my knowledge, welcomed someone back who rescinded their job acceptance the day before they were supposed to start; nor have we welcomed back people who quit with no notice and/or didn’t do anything during their final two weeks to make the transition as easy as possible.

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By: Sleet Feet https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654583 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:37:50 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654583 In reply to e271828.

What law do you think prevents these agreements?

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By: Sleet Feet https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654580 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:36:25 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654580 #1 this is unfortunately common and often it is baked into the software product purchasing agreements. I had this happen with 2 software companies at my old job. One refused to interview without the written letter from my current supervisor and refused to make an exception (this was during the height of pandemic layoffs!). The other confessed that their BAA had a steep penalty for poaching any employee within 12 months of leaving even if our company had laid them off.

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By: Grizabella the Glamour Cat https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654578 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:31:25 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654578 In reply to The New Wanderer.

Exactly! Furthermore, why put someone through multiple interviews, with the investment of time and energy that involves on BOTH sides, if you know you don’t really want to hire thm because of who they currently work for? That’s bananacrackers!

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By: Empress Matilda https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654576 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:26:41 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654576 In reply to The New Wanderer.

Or better yet, put it in the job ad! “As a result of Reasons, we are unable to accept applications from candidates who are currently employed by customers of Acme Inc.” Saves everybody the time and effort of applying in the first place.

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By: e271828 https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654575 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:26:36 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654575 In reply to learnedthehardway.

Collusion between employers to restrict employee movement is illegal in the United States.

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By: PT https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654574 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:26:29 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654574 In reply to El l.

It’s super weird, too, because there are so many business products that are widespread that almost everyone who has an office is a customer. Like, everywhere I’ve worked uses Microsoft Office or has a contract with Office Depot/Office Max or Staples for office supplies. But there would be no real conflict or anything you’d consider to be “poaching” if someone went from, say, working as a Front Desk Attendant at Llamas Unlimited to being the Administrative Assistant II at Microsoft or Assistant to the Director of Design (Paperclips Division) at Office Depot.

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By: HiHello https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654572 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:25:20 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654572 In reply to Roscoe.

I think it is also about the field and how young the employees are. I feel like people in their 20s, maybe 30s, are more likely to switch jobs every few years. I know only very few people who have been in one company for more than 3-4 years. Most of my friends move on after 2-3 years.

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By: e271828 https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654570 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:21:22 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654570 In reply to Pay No Attention To The Man Behind The Curtain.

Yeah, this is illegal. OP can point that out as they exit from the application process—which, in OP’s shoes, I would do, because this was always a weird thing to ask and it’s blatantly in violation of the law. Employment is not indentured servitude.

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By: Missy https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654553 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:06:06 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654553 In reply to Ellis Hubris.

My current job has high turnover but they were very open with the reasons why when I applied. It’s a job where you are working 80 hours a week for about 4 months of the year and those months are highly stressful. But the rest of the year has very light workloads and allow you to take lots of time off with the hours of comptime you banked during the busy season. A lot of people can’t handle the stress and hours, but for people who can they end up staying for their whole career. They actually brought up the difficulties of the position and turnover before I could because they would rather weed out someone who was the wrong fit.

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By: anonymous73 https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654550 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:03:56 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654550 In reply to Roscoe.

They know, they just don’t want to admit it. And you can tell a lot from a non answer.

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By: Gene Rayburn was the best game show host ever https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654543 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:00:30 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654543 In reply to Bookworm.

Would like to add that it’s worth a try. The worst they can do is say “No” or just not respond to your request for a second chance, but who knows? Bookworm’s “Great Reshuffle” is worth considering, in that they might not be happy with the person they did hire, and would at least be open to talking with you.

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By: L.H. Puttgrass https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654541 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 16:59:07 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654541 In reply to L.H. Puttgrass.

Amending my comment: ‘But a person who bails on a job the day before starting it really only has “I got a better offer” or some variation of “I’m a flake” as explanation’…or some kind of emergency, of course.

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By: Dust Bunny https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654540 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 16:59:03 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654540 In reply to zuzu.

Yeah, I think I would have done this. They’re asking you to take a huge risk while they take none!

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By: Momma Bear https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654537 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 16:56:34 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654537 In reply to Threeve.

I think that OP declining the offer the day before they started is way too close as well. It’s one thing if the timeframe is “I’ll start in a month” and sometime in the week after you get a better role. I think this is especially true if it’s not contract work that might fall through – working for corporate is a pretty done deal 99% of the time. I stop job hunting once an offer is given and accepted. Accepting means to me that I’ve evaluated the situation and think they are the best fit.

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By: Hippo-nony-potomus https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/interviewer-wants-my-current-employer-to-say-they-know-im-looking-friend-asking-for-free-work-and-more.html#comment-3654536 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 16:56:27 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22805#comment-3654536 In reply to Roscoe.

I once gave HR chapter and verse as to why I left; they never felt like fixing the problem.

Another time, I had two very specific reasons for leaving (the commute and the culture within my department). Given that the culture problems came from the top, nothing I said would have had any effect on the culture. However, as numerous people had left over the butts-in-seats policies, I thought that being another commute/butts-in-seats resignation statistic might be helpful for my remaining coworkers.

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