Comments on: should employers pay candidates for their time in the interview process? https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html Thu, 25 Nov 2021 22:49:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: BeenThere https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3657351 Thu, 25 Nov 2021 22:49:52 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3657351 In reply to LinuxSystemsGuy.

I’ve had similar, there was a problem I solved at one company where I was interviewing with multiple teams. Everyone was taking lots of notes, I didn’t think much of it at the time and end up selecting a different team. Fast forward a few years and an internal transfer to this team and lo and behold, there was a process that used my exact design. In my case at least it was only a 30 minutes solution presented by an engineer with a decade of experience. Knowing the group closer now very few folks in the team would have come up with that design. Would have been nice to get some sort of credit for it.

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By: RebelwithMouseyHair https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3656930 Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:36:54 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3656930 In reply to Mia.

I had an interview where, when I asked about salary, was told “well, first, you must work for us for a coupled of days for free, then once we’ve seen what you’re worth, we’ll let you know how much we’re prepared to pay you”. Er no, I’m not taking a couple of days off my paid job to work for free, not knowing whether I’ll be hired or how much I would earn. I also got the impression that I’d have to be available straight away, whereas I owed my employer a 2-month notice period (this is standard here in France).
I’m wondering how many poor desperate students accepted such working conditions, how many they would have come in like that.
I walked out of the interview telling the guy I felt insulted as a seasoned professional.
Several months later, someone contacted me saying they had another opening and please come in for an interview, I took great delight in explaining all the reasons why they ought to throw my CV away and never ever contact me again (no need to worry about burning a bridge with that cowboy outfit).

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By: RebelwithMouseyHair https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3656917 Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:00:56 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3656917 In reply to Gene Rayburn was the best game show host ever.

Yes indeed! As a freelancer, this is how I’m hired each time: the client gives me a small project to see how it goes. It’s not a freebie, so I get to see whether they pay on time, whether they transfer money to my account or send me a cheque, in which case I then have to trundle off to the bank, fill in a form and wait for a couple of days before seeing my money.

Here in France it’s not possible to pay someone for a one-off job that only lasts a few hours unless they have a freelance status, and while it’s easy to set one up, you do have an obligation to report your earnings and make social security contributions from them. Then again you can very easily hire people, with a trial period, then get rid of them very quickly if you see it doesn’t work out.

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By: Birch Tree https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3656581 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 23:40:32 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3656581 In reply to Jen in Oregon.

Wow, as someone also in Oregon, I respect your vagueness but also really want to know what public agency had the nerve.

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By: selena81 https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3656439 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:47:19 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3656439 In reply to KHB.

But that might keep people from applying.

I think it’s best to mention it, but not heavily advertise it (put a part in the ad where you mention the project and what you’ll pay, but don’t put a big ‘earn €500 by applying’ banner over your ad)

I think the fact that only the finalists get the money will also be a big shield: if someone isn’t really interested in the job they are probably not going to put much effort into their application-materials

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By: selena81 https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3656428 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:35:07 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3656428 In reply to animaniactoo.

I think it signals that you understand that candidates (and by extension employees) do not have limitless amounts of time to cater to your every silly request.

Afaik it used to be normal to always reimburse travel expenses for all candidates, i’d really like that to make a comeback.

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By: Agree1 https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3656427 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:33:17 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3656427 I don’t really know what would be the correct amount. But I know many people myself included who have gone on 4-5 interviews, only to not get the job. Most interviews last about an hour. So that’s potentially 5 hours of wasted time. Time off from your current job (if you have one). So I kind of agree!

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By: Taco Bell Job Fair https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3656259 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 19:59:26 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3656259 I got paid once for a job interview with a sandwich. It was for KFC, but I did get a free sandwich worth $3.99.

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By: RC https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655880 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 16:49:05 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655880 In reply to More than 20 mins.

I was coming here to say just this lol. Sure, the active writing might not take much time, but the research into the company, product, industry, and market trends that would feed into it would take several hours.

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By: Onetime Poster https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655845 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 16:35:14 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655845 I read about a similar process, I think at Zappos.com, many years ago. At that time, Zappos was well known for its focus on customer service over discounts and cutting corners. So, they sell their products at regular price but provide superior service (I used them a lot and can vouch; I’ve since moved out of US so I can’t use them any longer). What they did to ensure they only hired people looking to pursue excellence in customer service was offer an incentive of $1,000 to leave the company/final onboarding process:

“After a week or so in this immersive experience, though, it’s time for what Zappos calls “The Offer.” The fast-growing company, which works hard to recruit people to join, says to its newest employees: “If you quit today, we will pay you for the amount of time you’ve worked, plus we will offer you a $1,000 bonus.” Zappos actually bribes its new employees to quit!” – https://hbr.org/.

The article states that about 10% of their employees take the offer and run. Basically, if someone is just after money they surmised, then they’d rather dole out a bit of cash so they don’t waste their time on the wrong people who could in turn jeopardize their strong brand.

I think it’s a clever way to approach hiring.

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By: HelloHello https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655821 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 16:26:32 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655821 In reply to Sleeping Late Every Day.

Creating a fair and equitable hiring process that allows people from a wider range of economic backgrounds to apply is absolutely a good use of funds. They’re not hiring a private jet to fly in CEO candidates, or splurging on caviar for board members, they’re compensating potential employees for their time. It demonstrates a commitment to paying their workers a livable wage, and people who work for non-profits deserve a livable wage. In part because everyone deserves a livable wage for their labor and in part because non-livable wages reduce your workforce to only people who are privileged enough to have another source of income to live on, aka a wealthy spouse or family.

There is so, so much disfunction in the non-profit world that stems from organizations being staffed entirely by either wealthy people who are not a part of the communities being served or entry level workers struggling with poverty-level wages and quickly burning out on the industry as a whole. Donors who nit-pick staff salaries only add to the issue.

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By: HelloHello https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655802 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 16:19:28 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655802 In reply to HelloHello.

Ugh, some word salad happening there.

*Isn’t to become this paranoid about what clearly seems…”

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By: HelloHello https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655799 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 16:18:16 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655799 In reply to Badasslady.

Yeah, there are some wild leaps happening about the possible ways this offer could somehow be a scam or exploitative. I know we’re all used to workers being taken advantage of by potential employers, but the solution to that isn’t to assume attempts to become this paranoid about what clearly seems to be an attempt to make the hiring process more equitable.

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By: Anonymous Luddite https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655696 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 15:09:36 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655696 In reply to Alexis Rosay.

I guess I’m projecting. For myself, I’ve been burned several years by companies who fail to send out their tax paperwork on time.

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By: pancakes https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655539 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 13:05:57 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655539 In reply to Sorel.

Yeah. It’s not my field but I have a couple friends in it, and this particular problem is very apparent to me. It doesn’t need encouraging.

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By: pancakes https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655538 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 13:04:35 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655538 In reply to HoosOnFirst.

I agree, Hoos. Donors who want to micromanage how their money is used are free to take it elsewhere.

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By: pancakes https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655529 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:57:31 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655529 In reply to Thin Mints didn’t make me thin.

Maybe. I remember there was an article about edit tests for writers and editors in CJR a few years ago, and a lot of publications were not paying. I think the negative publicity did inspire some improvement, though. The title is “Edit tests are out of control, say journalists in search of jobs,” at cjr dot org.

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By: pancakes https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655522 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:52:41 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655522 In reply to HarshBarley.

I don’t see how it’s at all fair or within the letter of the law to posit that someone quit a job they were never offered. The idea that paying someone to take an exam that will be used to assess their candidacy is indistinguishable from paying an employee for their work doesn’t make sense. One person has a job and the other does not. I hope your state is challenged on denying people unemployment for this reason and I hope it loses.

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By: Whimsical Gadfly https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655520 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:51:52 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655520 In reply to KHB.

Not advertising it means it doesn’t solve the problem of people who don’t feel like they can afford to apply if it is a long process.

So if part of the point is increased diversity including groups typically underrepresented because of such barriers, not advertising it is a waste.

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By: Barry https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655519 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:51:38 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655519 In reply to animaniactoo.

Remember, some management might be cheapskates, who delight in ripping people off.

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By: Carl https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655473 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 11:46:52 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655473 In reply to KHB.

Unless the $500 is an incentive to get more (highly qualified) applicants

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By: Ritz https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655434 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 09:54:13 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655434 Here’s Vu on the issue:
https://nonprofitaf.com/2021/06/its-time-we-pay-interview-stage-job-applicants-for-their-time/

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By: More than 20 mins https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655433 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 09:53:41 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655433 I’m over here laughing at the “20 minutes to write a sample press release”. I work in PR for a major company and our press releases take weeks. If I was providing a 1 page writing sample for a job, it would certainly take me several hours to produce my best work.

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By: Wrench Turner https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655430 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 09:47:48 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655430 In my personal opinion, interviews where you do any work – create any product that the company can actually use- should be paid. Skills tests (software, machinery, process, etc) are a little different but even those, if you’re there for more than an hour or two, should be paid. Chasing a previous career, I had a “test” in a very high end restaurant which just wound up with me dropped in the kitchen working as a prep cook for a full shift. Used my own uniform, knives, learned where everything was, didn’t know anyone, and the chef was an ass* the whole time. I did a great job, frankly. At the end of it, hearing no instruction or anything else, I found him in the office where he said “Oh, I forgot you were here.” Didn’t hear anything for almost a month. I declined the offer. Never got paid.

*I’ve worked in other restaurants and food service settings before, I do understand the urgency of food service. Like any production line, if you know what you’re doing and manage your staff well, you do not have to be an ass about it.

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By: Cambridge Comma https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655301 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:25:51 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655301 In reply to KHB.

I was in a process like this. They paid me $300 for the second round.

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By: Yep https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655244 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 05:47:00 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655244 This is common in the music field. If you are hiring a music director or musician (say, a church organist or a player in an orchestra), it is common to invite the finalists for a performance or two. And of course they would always pay you because you’d have to take off from your regular job for the opportunity. I’ve never not been paid in those situations.

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By: Swishy Fins https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655208 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 04:17:15 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655208 In reply to Swishy Fins.

But I should add—you don’t get compensated in higher ed.

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By: Swishy Fins https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655207 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 04:16:35 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655207 In reply to just whelmed.

Not in my experience for higher ed. The presentation isn’t to help the office with their work but rather for them to be able to judge the candidates based on both the content and the presentation skills. It’s a lot of work to put together.

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By: Oui oui oui all the way home https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655194 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 03:11:48 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655194 In reply to MK.

Ideas are ‘a dime a dozen’. What is worth paying for is someone’s actual work.

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By: A Problem with Paying https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655193 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 03:04:00 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655193 After the interview stage, my company pays applicants to do a test assignment. We then hire the person who does best on that assignment. One year I supervised a new worker who I’m convinced had paid someone else to do the assignment for her. Her work was awful, and completely unlike the work that she had submitted during the application process. She did not last long.

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By: Cat Tree https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655190 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:57:42 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655190 In reply to Cold Fish.

For me, my concern is that paying the candidates for the interview might make them feel more betrayed if a candidate ultimately declines an offer, although it would likely be subconscious (which actually makes it harder to address). Of course, plenty of employers already feel personally betrayed when this happens, but the money adds another layer to reinforce that feeling. I don’t think this problem is insurmountable and overall I think the payment is a good idea. I just think this is a potential problem to address.

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By: HoosOnFirst https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655186 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:40:16 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655186 In reply to Sleeping Late Every Day.

Why would you not be happy? What is wrong with using money in this way? As a donor I’d be actually happy to find this out about an org.

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By: HoosOnFirst https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655185 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:37:40 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655185 In reply to HoosOnFirst.

Typically “donors” that is… missed a word!

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By: HoosOnFirst https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655184 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:36:57 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655184 In reply to mmppgh.

I don’t necessarily think this is a fair comment, in that nonprofits spend money on all kinds of things – typically do not and should not get into the weeds like this. As long as it’s budgeted for and the nonprofit is doing good work and running a sustainable business model, it would be unusual to care about these amounts.

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By: BugHuntress https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655180 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:23:32 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655180 In reply to hayling.

“It should take 2-3 hours” says the company when it offers the software engineer take-home. However, it would take most people on the software development team a few days, and everyone knows “a few hours” could mean 3, 5, 8, a weekend.

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By: Ask a Manager https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655177 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:11:32 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655177 In reply to Alexis Rosay.

Yeah, this is not a big deal.

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By: Alexis Rosay https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655165 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:49:19 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655165 In reply to Anonymous Luddite.

That doesn’t seem like a big deal…I’d rather have $500 and a tax slip than $0.

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By: Alexis Rosay https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655164 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:47:32 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655164 In reply to Sorel.

Yes! This attitude is so harmful both to individuals and to the sector.

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By: AcademiaNut https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655162 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:37:46 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655162 In reply to Pomegranate.

If what they pay is equal to or greater than what they’d pay a contractor for the same work, I think it’s fair.

What I would be careful about is the time they’re asking. If the candidate has the time to do the assignment, the pay is great. If they don’t – if job and family and other demands on their time means they don’t have time to do freelance work as part of an application process – they’ll have to bow out of the process even with offered pay. So either keep the necessary time to what could fit inside a thorough interview process, or make sure there is enough time to fit it in (ie, a couple of weeks, not over the weekend). And keep in mind that candidates are likely to spend more time than expected to do a really good job.

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By: fifteen minutes of indiscriminate screeching https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655160 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:37:27 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655160 lmao – as someone whose industry LOVES these sorts of unpaid screening exercises (and just recently went through the job hunting process), i wish companies paid for the time you spent on them! i recently had one company ask me to book off TWELVE HOURS STRAIGHT to do their screening exercise – you told them what time you wanted them to send you it and you had to send back your code and answers exactly 12 hours later, not a minute late. it took me all twelve hours to do, too, and i sure wasn’t paid for any of it!

another company that i applied to years ago had an application consisting of three parts, each of which were “answer all questions” or “answer three of five”. i calculated it and the work that would’ve gone into one of those parts alone would’ve been worth several hundred dollars in freelance pay. i never bothered finishing that one.

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By: yup https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655153 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:07:16 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655153 In reply to MK.

It’s what most potential employers, especially in the private sector, have expected from candidates for at least the last fifteen years. They just haven’t been upfront about it, or offered to pay for the candidates’ time.

I know what you’re saying, but I’ll give this company kudos for being both honest and willing to remunerate.

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By: BritChickaaa https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655151 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:02:10 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655151 This is very common in my industry. Not so much if it’s just a straight interview, but if the application process involves putting together any kind of pitch or presentation, that would usually be paid.

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By: yup https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655150 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:00:27 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655150 In reply to Exhausted Trope.

+1

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By: TiredMama https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655140 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 00:29:09 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655140 In reply to OP.

My read was a hope that the candidates would donate the money back to the organization.

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By: just whelmed https://www.askamanager.org/2021/11/should-employers-pay-candidates-for-their-time-in-the-interview-process.html#comment-3655134 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 00:22:35 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22776#comment-3655134 In reply to Swishy fins.

Where is the line of intellectual property? Do they now own the ideas and documents because they compensated you for the work?

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