Comments for Ask a Manager https://www.askamanager.org Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:28:01 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on coworker’s grisly Halloween decor, I don’t want to dance in my office’s TikTok videos, and more by Worker Bea https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/coworkers-grisly-halloween-decor-i-dont-want-to-dance-in-my-offices-tiktok-videos-and-more.html#comment-3610284 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:28:01 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22538#comment-3610284 Re no. 2 from healthcare marketing/PR person: Your own personal privacy concerns should be absolutely enough to decline these activities, but there is a real risk of a HIPAA violation here should a patient or any patient health information be visible in the background of these videos. Even folders with information that isn’t legible but a viewer might squint at to determine that, is, in my opinion, poor optics for the facility’s consideration of patient privacy. I’d hope that reasoning would rightfully catch your boss’ attention.

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Comment on coworker’s grisly Halloween decor, I don’t want to dance in my office’s TikTok videos, and more by Magenta Sky https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/coworkers-grisly-halloween-decor-i-dont-want-to-dance-in-my-offices-tiktok-videos-and-more.html#comment-3610283 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:24:54 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22538#comment-3610283 In reply to Prefer my pets.

I have a friend who does the same. He doesn’t skim, has no training in seed reading. Reads every word. Regularly reads a 300 page novel in an hour. It’s no common, but it’s not unique.

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Comment on coworker’s grisly Halloween decor, I don’t want to dance in my office’s TikTok videos, and more by Viki https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/coworkers-grisly-halloween-decor-i-dont-want-to-dance-in-my-offices-tiktok-videos-and-more.html#comment-3610282 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:24:43 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22538#comment-3610282 In reply to Prefer my pets.

As someone else in this club, one of the things I do, is highlight and jot any questions etc. in the side so it at least shows the person I’m looking/reading.

It also helps me absorb the stuff, because I can do those tests and be fine but in a day, not really be able to explain what I wrote.

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Comment on coworker’s grisly Halloween decor, I don’t want to dance in my office’s TikTok videos, and more by Prefer my pets https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/coworkers-grisly-halloween-decor-i-dont-want-to-dance-in-my-offices-tiktok-videos-and-more.html#comment-3610281 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:21:55 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22538#comment-3610281 In reply to Prefer my pets.

….of course being able to read quickly & type a comment on a smartphone without typos are clearly two different skills! My kingdom for an edit button.

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by iliketoknit https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610280 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:21:19 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610280 In reply to iliketoknit.

ACK this was supposed to be posted elsewhere (and may actually have been, sorry!).

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by iliketoknit https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610279 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:20:24 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610279 In reply to Ismonie.

The problem I have with this argument *in response to this letter* is that I get the concept of a work uniform, but the uniform that’s appropriate for when I work in the office is much more uncomfortable and high maintenance than the uniform I’d choose at home. (I also personally find moving into a designated work space where I don’t do other stuff much more helpful for getting into the work mindset than clothes.)

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by Fran Fine https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610278 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:20:09 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610278 In reply to Ismonie.

Mouse will possibly need to find a new company to work for where the majority of the employees prefer to be in person. It sounds like the current workplace culture has shifted and isn’t changing back anytime soon, so Mouse (like the OP) can either accept the new normal of their workplace, or find someplace else that gives them what they’re looking for.

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Comment on coworker’s grisly Halloween decor, I don’t want to dance in my office’s TikTok videos, and more by Bowserkitty https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/coworkers-grisly-halloween-decor-i-dont-want-to-dance-in-my-offices-tiktok-videos-and-more.html#comment-3610277 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:18:36 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22538#comment-3610277 In reply to ala.

Why is this making me giggle internally!?!?!

Cute lil gummy-mouthed skeleton faces….uwu

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Comment on my company wants me to work Halloween and I’m a Halloween fanatic by Former_Employee https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/my-company-wants-me-to-work-halloween-and-im-a-halloween-fanatic.html#comment-3610276 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:17:17 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22519#comment-3610276 The OP is focused on Halloween, but she doesn’t have to tell anyone that’s the reason behind her request for time off. She can say that she and her spouse are very sentimental about their wedding anniversary and always celebrate for however much time she feels she needs off, whether it’s 2 days or a week.

It’s no one’s business that the reason they got married on October 31st is because they are both into Halloween.

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Comment on coworker’s grisly Halloween decor, I don’t want to dance in my office’s TikTok videos, and more by Prefer my pets https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/coworkers-grisly-halloween-decor-i-dont-want-to-dance-in-my-offices-tiktok-videos-and-more.html#comment-3610275 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:16:44 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22538#comment-3610275 Oh man, I’m right there with you #3! I have no idea why or how I read as fast as I do but I always have. Growing up, I would check out 10-15 books every week from the library and no one except my family would believe I actually read them all despite being able to point out details most people missed, like tiny inconsistencies between different hooks in a series. It was awesome in college for taking a big course load!

In my work, I just tell people I’ve always been a freakishly fast reader and after they’ve worked with me awhile no one thinks twice about it, except to inflict the initial review of giant new policy documents on me! But I’m in government so reading insanely long documents quickly is viewed as a very positive ability for someone on a team to have!

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Comment on coworker’s grisly Halloween decor, I don’t want to dance in my office’s TikTok videos, and more by ala https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/coworkers-grisly-halloween-decor-i-dont-want-to-dance-in-my-offices-tiktok-videos-and-more.html#comment-3610274 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:13:24 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22538#comment-3610274 …would skeletons without teeth be significantly less creepy?

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by iliketoknit https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610273 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:13:12 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610273 In reply to SpaceySteph.

OMG yes. The BEST part of WFH has been not having to get dressed. B/c work clothes are uncomfortable and expensive and high maintenance.

Also walking down the streets in my town looks nothing like any movie I’ve ever seen, but obviously ymmv.

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by ShanShan https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610272 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:11:26 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610272 In reply to Detective Amy Santiago.

I mean, I was born several years after that, and the internet didn’t really take off until I was in high school. It’s a very fuzzy line.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by allathian https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610271 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:11:17 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610271 In reply to Academic Physician.

This is horrible, and the reason why few things scare me more than the idea of a hospital stay. I think it’s inconceivable that the health services think this is acceptable or okay.

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Comment on I quit my job but they insist I have to participate in an investigation, putting Mensa on your resume, and more by American Job Venter https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/i-quit-my-job-but-they-insist-i-have-to-participate-in-an-investigation-putting-mensa-on-your-resume-and-more.html#comment-3610270 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:08:50 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22518#comment-3610270 In reply to American Job Venter.

n.b. “Sealioning”, from the Merriam-Webster website:

“Sealioning is a harassment tactic by which a participant in a debate or online discussion pesters the other participant with disingenuous questions under the guise of sincerity, hoping to erode the patience or goodwill of the target to the point where they appear unreasonable. Often, sealioning involved asking for evidence for even basic claims. The term comes from a web comic depicting a sea lion engaging in such behavior. “

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by ShanShan https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610269 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:08:02 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610269 In reply to Betteauroan.

People used to say it about the Boomers, too, when they were our age. Read any older Dave Barry if you don’t believe me. That was like 30% of the jokes he told.

It’s the standard jab any older generation makes about any younger generation, largely out of jealousy and/or fear of being replaced.

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by Koalafied https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610268 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:07:20 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610268 In reply to Fran Fine.

Tbh I can count the added productive time in my day owing to the shorter distance to the bathroom alone, before even factoring anything else in! With my ADHD, transitions/stopping and starting work are kryptonite to my productivity. The bathroom being 15 feet from my desk at home vs having to walk literally half a city block each way from my office at one end of the building to the restrooms in the center of the building means I can be back at my desk so quickly my brain never disengaged from the task I was working on and it’s like I didn’t get up at all. 3-4 bathroom breaks a day cost me about 15-20 minutes lost walking to and from the bathroom and 15-20 minutes of task-switching inefficiency.

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Comment on I quit my job but they insist I have to participate in an investigation, putting Mensa on your resume, and more by American Job Venter https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/i-quit-my-job-but-they-insist-i-have-to-participate-in-an-investigation-putting-mensa-on-your-resume-and-more.html#comment-3610267 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:06:59 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22518#comment-3610267 In reply to RebelwithMouseyHair.

Since you asked, yes, I have seen that commenter downplay and dismiss racism often enough to view this question with a jaundiced eye. The simile I was going to use before but decided against, so you may have it now, was that disbelief like this is like pulling a single pixel from a picture and saying it doesn’t depict an atrocity when the photo is of Emmett Till in his coffin.

I have run into enough sealions who have wandered far from the California shores that I have grown skeptical of “just trying to understand.”

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by Maya https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610266 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:05:24 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610266 In reply to LQ.

Like so many formulas, the salary-to-workload ratio is not infinitely scalable. This is the compensation equivalent of “If the recipe says bake for 15 minutes at 350 degrees, then 1 minute at 5,250 degrees will work just as well!” Just because people will work 40 hours a week for $X, doesn’t mean they’ll work 100 hours for $2.5X, or $5X, or even $20x.

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Comment on my coworker is secretly living at the office by Former_Employee https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/my-coworker-is-secretly-living-at-the-office.html#comment-3610265 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:05:13 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22520#comment-3610265 I was really surprised by some of the comments about how Bob might end up on the street if the OP “outs” him to someone at a senior level at their company.

Bob is a man who is in management at a corporation.

What are the odds that he is so poorly compensated that he is unable to afford housing?

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by allathian https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610264 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:03:33 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610264 In reply to Remedial Chaos Theory.

Yeah, absolutely agree. My standard workweek is 36 hours 15 minutes. I can work, and have worked, 50-hour weeks for a huge project, but when the project ended, I took 3 weeks off just on banked comp time. Believe me, I needed the rest! We’re a bit different, I’m basically salaried in that I have lots of flexibility in choosing when (and where) I work, but hours are still tracked to ensure that nobody is working too much, or slacking off. Those who put in huge amounts of working hours are a much bigger problem than the slackers, though. It also gives management clear signals when more resources are needed for a particular function.

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by KWu https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610263 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:00:41 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610263 I wonder whether OP was expecting some kind of reciprocity when they took the risk of coming into the office even before vaccines were available and is now a bit angry that that action was not valued as they thought it should have been.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by PlainJane https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610262 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:58:34 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610262 In reply to Vaca.

Vaca, it sounds like you have a work flow problem. Your work day should NOT be extended until 11, not for you, the juniors, the mid-level staff, or anyone else. Is there a way to apportion the “calls and meetings” so that not everyone is doing them, and some can be working on first drafts? Are all the meetings 100% necessary, or could some of the communication be done electronically, which takes up a lot less time than setting aside an hour to sit in a conference room? If calls need to be made all day, could some staff be absolutely dedicated to taking those calls, while other staff are writing reports? Continuity doesn’t mean that everyone needs to do everything. There’s a reason that people specialize in different areas, and that specialization is what has made urban centers thrive since roughly ancient Mesopotamia.

I’d recommend having a meeting with these juniors who can’t wait to get out, and with the bosses. Settle on exactly which work needs to be done, then brainstorm and see if there’s a more efficient way to do it, because if people are working 100 weeks, then there is a lack of efficiency in the procedures. This is not an emergency room; no one needs to be in at all hours.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by Feral Fairy https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610261 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:58:12 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610261 I grew up with a parent who is a successful attorney and well known in his field. He did not work in BigLaw. Anyways, he worked a lot of long hours when I was a kid and then he’d frequently work during the weekends as well. I still don’t think there have been any extended periods of time when he was working 100 hours a week. That is a lot to expect of anyone, no matter how much they make.

If people are leaving for the same types of positions at bigger competitors, it’s worth trying to find out if these companies have figured out how to make the workload a little less excessive. If people are leaving after 9 months and getting hired into non fixed term positions at different companies, the 2 year fixed term set up might be getting outdated since other companies are seeing the value in hiring people wjo havent completed their 2 year contracts.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by Deanna Troi https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610260 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:57:54 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610260 In reply to Richard Hershberger.

Richard Hershberger, I very much enjoy your comments and am looking forward to purchasing and reading your book!

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by I'm leeeaving https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610259 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:57:41 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610259 In reply to Junebug.

The justification is beating your peers and a faster track to $1m+/year income.

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by Stop whining https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610258 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:57:40 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610258 In reply to Midwestern Scientist.

The letter indicated that the CEO set the standard as individual choice to WFH or in-person, and the LW’s manager refused to override that by providing guidance such as what you’re suggesting. So it seems the answer is no, LW cannot institute a schedule, because LW does not have that authority.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by allathian https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610257 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:56:04 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610257 In reply to Not So NewReader.

Yeah, I agree that the LW is unlikely to be able to change things. But if they at least are willing to internalize that this way of working is no longer sustainable because people are simply unwilling to do it, at least they should realize that there’s nothing they can do to change it. If the industry collapses because it can no longer find employees willing to work that much, then it collapses.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by JM60 https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610256 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:53:14 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610256

You’re looking at ways to penalize them for leaving … but having exhausted, overworked people who are there only because you will bill them if they leave is a recipe for demoralized and resentful staff.

If I were working for the OP and got burned out, having these penalties in my contract would make me try to get fired to avoid the penalties. In this case, I might just try working “only” 40 hours a week.

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by Well... https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610255 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:50:58 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610255 In reply to Oogie.

Idk as an extrovert myself, working with people around is just plain easier than working alone. That’s not about my social needs not being met, that’s just how my energy works (as introverts are quick to point out, having time alone for them helps their productivity as well).

Also this has been a rough two years for socializing. I moved to a new country and was separated physically from all my family and friends for months, WFH during a lockdown. I couldn’t just go out and meet new people to get my social needs met. I spent Christmas and thanksgiving on zoom. Cut the extroverts some slack.

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by Analytical Tree Hugger https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610253 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:44:32 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610253 In reply to HelloFromNY.

“But many offices will have to mark a specific point in time for which they require people to come back to the office (either full or part time).”

…why? I’m not seeing any imperative that would apply when there’s an ongoing and uncontrolled, communicable health crisis happening.

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Comment on my company wants me to work Halloween and I’m a Halloween fanatic by TardyTardis https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/my-company-wants-me-to-work-halloween-and-im-a-halloween-fanatic.html#comment-3610252 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:43:40 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22519#comment-3610252 In reply to Dr. Rebecca.

I used to work a set at a Jaycee Haunted House in the evenings, but nothing like this (even though my two large rubber snakes Susie and Damballa miss going out since the Jaycees have collapsed in this town).

Is there some other week you can pitch in so others can have special weeks, like the Christmas season? People will feel your taking off in October is more equitable if you’re making up for them at some other time.

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by zillah https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610251 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:41:43 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610251 In reply to LW.

This is so, so understandable – none of us are at our best right now, and I’d honestly wonder a little at someone who was. It’s really hard and frustrating, and feeling that is okay.

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Comment on I caught my coworker masturbating at his desk by Where’s the Orchestra? https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/my-coworker-is-gross.html#comment-3610250 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:40:57 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22525#comment-3610250 In reply to Anonymeece.

Yeah – I learned freshman year of college never ask why crazy rule/policy exists – you really probably don’t want the gross/lewd/gory story behind the rule’s creation.

Signed,
The next door neighbor of the trio who lead to the creation of FIVE new housing policies before being evicted at Winter Break. I kid you not – FIVE new rules….

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by Analytical Tree Hugger https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610249 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:39:21 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610249 In reply to Mouse.

…huh, that is a really reasonable ask and I’m pondering why I’m struggling with it.

I suspect it’s a “silent majority, extreme minority” problem: The majority of people who feel like you are just quietly bummed about the isolation during the work day. Then, I only hear about this from people like OP (who think we owe her our presence) or from management (we demand you come in…because we said so).

So, I’m having to disentangle the distinct stances of “*I* miss working in an office” from “I demand *everyone* follows my preference to work in the office.”

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by Stop whining https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610248 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:38:22 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610248 In reply to Mouse.

Mouse, many of us who prefer WFH for one reason or another don’t have ideal situations either. I think a lot of people can commiserate that out situations aren’t ideal. But this thread is focused on OP wanting to force her staff to come in to meet her social needs. It didn’t start out as a balanced discussion about the good and bad in our current work choices, so the focus is on “do what you need to do, but don’t force me to do what’s not right for me in order to fulfill your social-emotional need.” It might help to read responses through the lense of the original letter.

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Comment on my boss cried when I asked for a raise, when to tell applicants about our vaccine requirement, and more by TardyTardis https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/my-boss-cried-when-i-asked-for-a-raise-when-to-tell-applicants-about-our-vaccine-requirement-and-more.html#comment-3610247 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:37:23 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22524#comment-3610247 In reply to LifeBeforeCorona.

The boss has already lied several times. The OP can’t trust them at all. They aren’t going to get good references even if they quit with notice.

The OP is best out of there.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by Koalafied https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610246 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:35:58 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610246 In reply to Not So NewReader.

I’m also fond of the reminder that “saying ‘no’ makes your ‘yes’ more valuable and more powerful.” The person who never pushes back gets all their efforts taken for granted – “Of course Millie will jump as high as we want her to, that’s what Millie does and has always done, why would I ever have reason to doubt she can do anything I ask when to date, that has always been true,” vs, “everyone wants Millie’s help because she’s that good, so we only have a few hours of her time – make sure you’ve prepared your questions for her ahead of time so we can get the most value out of that time.”

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Comment on I’m frustrated that my employees don’t want to return to the office by zillah https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/im-frustrated-that-my-employees-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office.html#comment-3610245 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:35:56 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22513#comment-3610245 OP, I’m from New York. Everything else aside re: people having a lot of reasons and/or not needing a reason, I think it’s really important to remember that no matter how great your office is being re: covid protections, people still have to get there. I’m sure most of them aren’t driving, especially since it’s Manhattan, which means that they’re dealing with a public where not everyone is wearing masks properly and you have no way of knowing who is vaccinated. That’s a lot of anxiety, especially with the uncertainty around what guidelines and recommendations could change tomorrow as public health officials learn more about the virus or as it continues to mutate, and after 18 months of anxiety, a lot of people would prefer to err on the side of caution.

I get the weight of isolation, even when you have other people you’re spending time with outside of work, but pushing people to take more risks than they’re personally comfortable with isn’t the answer.

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Comment on I quit my job but they insist I have to participate in an investigation, putting Mensa on your resume, and more by Former_Employee https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/i-quit-my-job-but-they-insist-i-have-to-participate-in-an-investigation-putting-mensa-on-your-resume-and-more.html#comment-3610244 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:34:49 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22518#comment-3610244 In reply to Don’t trust “independent” investigators.

Wow! I Just read about Celeste Kidd & what happened at U of R. What’s especially amazing is that every step of the way from protests to lawsuit, the University kept promoting the guy who was accused of wrongdoing by various students and faculty.

Why wouldn’t the administration cut their losses and get rid of the person who was causing the problems? They seemed to be under the impression that the people speaking up and speaking out were the real troublemakers.

There is real irony in the fact that Celeste Kidd’s work involves the study of why people cling to false beliefs.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by Kella https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610243 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:33:29 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610243 In reply to Kella.

Also your anger is misdirected. You are focusing your resentment and frustration on the people who have LESS power than you do rather than on the people who have all the power to make your life less miserable. And those people likely neglect you because they are passing down *their* bitterness and resentment from the way that they were neglected. It sounds like you don’t want to be the kind of person to keep passing that down.

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Comment on I caught my coworker masturbating at his desk by TardyTardis https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/my-coworker-is-gross.html#comment-3610242 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:32:26 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22525#comment-3610242 In reply to I WORKED on a Hellmouth.

At least you finally got away from there!

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by Unusually Anon Tonight https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610241 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:31:49 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610241 Vaca, I don’t know if you’re still reading the comments this far down the thread, but I have to ask: is your undergraduate degree from the same tier of schools you typically recruit analysts from? Do you have an MBA? The answers to those questions may explain a lot about how you view career mobility and loyalty to your firm.

I don’t mean this in an insulting way at all. The reason I ask is that almost everyone I know who’s stayed in a toxic job like this (including myself) didn’t necessarily have the “credentials of choice” to feel competitive on the job market. Even with tons of experience and legitimately top-flight skills. This includes a couple people I know who moved up in IB and private equity on the basis of being rockstar analysts, rather than because they left to get a top-flight MBA. Both of them have the same sorts of attitudes towards career development of juniors that you’re describing, as well as the same ideas about accountability to clients.

Those ideas have a common underpinning of unlimited sweat equity being the most important thing someone can offer to their firm or industry. When you don’t have the right degrees or are perhaps a member of a marginalized group or not of the right class background, it’s easy to fall into that trap and hold it up as your value proposition. The thing is, though, that’s not reasonable to impose on junior staff. Especially if they have a lot of the characteristics and bona fides that lend themselves to mobility in finance or elsewhere. If you don’t have these yourself, this might be a much more uncomfortable journey to embark on, because you’ll have to accept that your charges can get as far as you and quit a bit further with less pain. Is that going to help you come to peace with your career path? No, but it’s not fair to hold them to an unreasonable and harmful standard, either.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by Kella https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610240 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:31:01 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610240 In reply to Vaca.

Vaca, the problem is you are investing in them a lot but they are not receiving a lot. Adding more work to you compounds on itself. Giving them a tiny bit of time off does almost nothing to improve their quality of life. You’ve decided you’re obligated to invest in them in a way that no one is investing in you. That’s not the fault of your junior employees.

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Comment on our highly-paid, overworked junior staff keep leaving just as we get them fully trained by Mangofan https://www.askamanager.org/2021/10/our-highly-paid-overworked-junior-staff-keep-leaving-just-as-we-get-them-fully-trained.html#comment-3610239 Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:27:58 +0000 https://www.askamanager.org/?p=22526#comment-3610239 In reply to LilyP.

This. Thank you.

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