weekend open thread – December 21-22, 2024 by Alison Green on December 20, 2024 This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. Here are the rules for the weekend posts. You may also like:all of my 2023 and 2024 book recommendationsall of my book recommendations from 2015-2022the cats of AAM { 55 comments }
open thread – December 20, 2024 by Alison Green on December 20, 2024 It’s the Friday open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers. * If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer. You may also like:my office Secret Santa gave me a gift from a pornstarmy coworker is blackmailing me not to take time off for my honeymoonneed help finding a job? start here { 740 comments }
employee’s outbursts might be hormonal, an overly friendly coworker, and more by Alison Green on December 20, 2024 I’m on vacation. Here are some past letters that I’m making new again, rather than leaving them to wilt in the archives. 1. I think my employee’s emotional outbursts might be hormone-related I manage a business with eight employees, which includes one supervisor, Diane, who oversees the daily operations of most of the remaining staff. One of those staff members, Kristine, is a very good employee; however, she periodically has very strong emotional reactions to work situations (and life situations, but we know to focus on the work ones). Here’s the thing though, in reviewing my notes recently (following Kristine’s most recent outburst) I’ve realized that these emotionally charged reactions occur at a regular interval of every four weeks. Based on the notes and other information informally shared by Kristine, it seems very likely that these exaggerated behaviors are hormone/PMS-related. While I have no intention of suggesting to Kristine that things may feel worse due to hormones/PMS, would it be completely inappropriate for me to help her supervisor make this connection too? Am I making too big a leap in my assumptions about this? Should we address these behaviors that only happen every so often (and so predictably)? Even if I don’t say anything to Diane about it, is it inappropriate or “too soft” (I don’t want to be a pushover) of me to use a little more caution in addressing errors, requests, etc. during these times of likely increased sensitivity? I think you can legitimately point out to Kristine or her manager that this happens at regular four-week intervals, but I wouldn’t speculate to either of them about why that might be. At most, you could say something like, “Given that this is happening at regular intervals, it might be worth talking to a doctor about whether there’s something medical going on.” But anything beyond that is too personal (and also gets into icky historical territory about women and emotions). And don’t treat her differently during those time periods — it’s too personal, it’s speculation, and you might be wrong. (And a lot of people — everyone? — would be mortified if they learned that their boss was tip-toeing around them when they suspected they had their period! I am cringing just thinking about it.) Most importantly, what you need from her doesn’t change regardless of the cause of her behavior: You need her to stop having disruptive emotional outbursts, and that’s true whether it’s caused by PMS, her monthly book club meeting, or anything else. – 2016 Read an update to this letter here. 2. Should employers pay if employees need an extra seat on the plane? I manage a few people who have large bodies. I am nearly positive that they don’t fit in a standard coach plane seat and would require two seats in order to travel — for context, I have overheard one person saying this on the phone with an airline once and another one told me in passing. My question is, should the company foot the bill for the extra seat (or, if it’s comparable fare, an upgrade to larger seats in first class) when these employees travel for business? Is this common practice? Both are due to travel to a conference soon and I want to make sure they have the accommodations that they need. For the record, I’m hoping to get an “if you need more space, here’s what to do” policy set and just give that to everyone who travels rather than singling folks out and awkwardly inquiring about whether their body will fit in a single seat. My opinion is that it would be unethical not to make sure they are taken care of in this regard, but I have a feeling my penny-pinching (and tiny) director will push back and probably even fat-shame. Any ideas on how I can advocate for the company to pay for everyone to have the amount of space they need? Is this as controversial as I think it might be? It certainly shouldn’t be controversial, although we live in a society that likes to fat-shame so who knows. But it’s not reasonable to expect people to pay for their own business travel, which is what your director would be doing if she refuses to pay the costs of transporting these employees. And that’s the way to frame it to her — “if we’re asking people to travel for business, we need to pay the full costs of that. We can’t ask people to cover the travel costs involved in business travel, or tell them they’ll need to take a financial loss in order to do their jobs.” – 2019 3. Friendly coworker asks about my day, afternoon, and night My coworker, Anna, is incredibly friendly, professional, and brings great energy to the office. I have zero criticisms about her: I love working with her and love her personality. The only thing I’m irked about is that she asks about my day, afternoon, and night … every. single. day! “What are you doing this weekend?” “Where did you go for lunch?” “Are you doing anything tonight?” “How was your day off?” I’m not getting a nosy vibe, just friendly. Thankfully, she doesn’t ask this all at once, but I think it’s too much! This must be her version of phatic expressions. So far I’ve been responding with “not much, you?” or “nothing special. How about you?” Sometimes I like to be social and share whatever. Should I simply persist with being boring? I have a feeling that this will never end no matter what response I give. I think I’m mostly annoyed that these questions force me to talk when sometimes I don’t feel like talking. I try to avoid being my own version of “Anna” by consciously asking people yes / no questions, which allows the other person to expand more if they wish. One example: “I hope you got to relax this weekend?” I suppose I’m writing in for some validation and perhaps a perspective/mantra that would make this less difficult. Is there a way to navigate this? Am I the only one annoyed here? She’s just so lovely and friendly. I don’t want to say anything, but I’m bothered enough to write in! Some of this is quite normal — “How was your day off?” is a pretty inoffensive question. But I can see how being asked every single day about all aspects of that day would start to feel like an awful lot. It sounds, though, like she’s a warm and friendly person and intends to connect with you and convey warmth and interest in you. In many cases, questions like these help build warm relationships — she asks what someone is doing that night, the person says they’re seeing a movie with their partner, they talk about the movie, they talk about the partner, boom, now they’re having a more substantive conversation that builds a relationship. In your case, it’s making you feel weirdly interrogated. That’s no surprise since you’re someone who’s deliberate about asking yes/no questions to coworkers in this context — which is pretty unusual and indicates you’re on the other end of the spectrum from Anna. So you two are just different in this way. (Although I admittedly might have a different read on Anna if you didn’t find her so lovely.) But it’s fine to persist with vague or boring answers — “nothing much,” “just relaxed,” etc. (I enjoy saying “I am doing NOTHING” with enormous triumph like the tone other people use to announce they got Hamilton tickets. In fact, I take pleasure in bragging about doing nothing, as I feel I am doing the lord’s work by promoting lounging time.) I don’t think there’s much you can do the being forced to talk when you don’t want to piece of this. That’s just part of working with other people — they’re going to talk to you, say social niceties, etc. I’d focus on the fact that you think Anna is great and this is more about connecting than interrogating you, and perhaps remind yourself that you’re just in different places on the Interest In Interaction scale. – 2019 4. Should I tell people they’re supposed to cut the tack stitching off their suits? This is low-risk question, but I was hoping you or your readers could help me address a pet peeve of mine. I live in NYC and see a lot of people, both men and women, while I commute and who I work with, who don’t cut off their “X” tacking. I even saw one person reinforce the tacking! I think this may be a nuance of professional polish that has been lost from common knowledge and I just want to help educate people. But how weird is it to go up to random strangers and be like, here let me cut this thread near your butt (kidding)! Do I try to tell people, for the betterment of fashion-kind or continue to mentally be exasperated at their ignorance? What should I say without sounding obnoxious or condescending? Strangers: Don’t do it. It’s not your place and while some people might appreciate it, it’s going to be boundary-crossing to others. People you work with: if you have a decent relationship with them and think they’d appreciate the heads-up, you could say, “Oh! You left the tack stitching on your suit — that little X there that’s supposed to come off after you buy it. Do you want me to cut it for you?” But really, this is probably something you’re better off ignoring unless you’re with a close friend. It’s not really your business or your problem to solve. This isn’t in the same category as alerting someone that their fly is down or their skirt is tucked into the back of their underwear or other things people feel urgency around fixing immediately. – 2018 You may also like:my bosses want to give me advice for my chronic illness, reporting my former boss's Twitter account, and moremy coworkers resent that my boss no longer yells at memy company is incredibly weird when people resign { 243 comments }
updates: my boss threatened himself, inappropriate music in a family-friendly store, and more by Alison Green on December 19, 2024 It’s “where are you now?” month at Ask a Manager, and all December I’m running updates from people who had their letters here answered in the past. Here are four updates from past letter-writers. 1. My boss threatened to kill himself over a minor work issue (#2 at the link) You and most of the comments told me to report my boss to HR or up the chain to our department lead, and consider reporting him to authorities for his safety. My boss lived in a different state (we were remote) and leadership already actively disliked him, so I was afraid that if I reported him to HR he would be fired and then actually harm himself. I reached out to my coworker to see how things had been for her, and she told me that she had been having issues with our boss as well. He had been taking credit for her work, asking her to do his work and provide it to him through text so it wasn’t on company property, making her work during PTO, and calling her and crying about losing his job. She told me he was highly manipulative and I realized that he had been using my sympathies against me to take the heat off of him. After that things started going downhill even faster, my department leader was let go, and thus the only buffer between my team and the leadership that had been causing issues was gone. The leader that was put in charge of social media was now overseeing our team. A week later I’m told that I no longer report to my boss, but instead to this leader. This broke my (now former) boss, and he would call me frequently to say how scared he was about losing his job and that they were out to get him, and would ask me to affirm that he was a good boss to me. Things were awkward, with my former boss asking me to do work without input from the new leader. Then my former boss rolled out a new product too early, causing some issues and a mess to clean up. The next week, my boss was let go. Leadership told us that they were committed to fixing the department and a consultant was then hired to revamp it, but a week later he was let go because he “didn’t do anything.” About a month later they hired an assistant for the president, and suddenly I had to work with her on some of my major tasks. The assistant also asked me to show her how different programs worked and how I did some of my work. I was suspicious that I was next on the chopping block and offered to show her more in depth at a later time, but she brushed me off. My suspicions were correct because just a few days later I was laid off and my coworker was offered a demotion or the option to take severance. I knew it was coming, but I wasn’t really prepared to be let go that quickly. But I was also happy to be free of the stress and drama, and no longer having to worry about everything. This was not the update I expected to share, but in the end my mental health is much better and I’m taking this time to recharge and viewing it as a long vacation. Thank you to everyone for your advice, it really did help me get through a difficult time and I frequently read over the comments. Hopefully my next job is a much healthier environment! 2. Manager plays inappropriate music in a family-friendly store (#2 at the link) The music continued to play for well over a month before she switched to other music on her own. The disgusting song didn’t come back for the rest of my time there, and she plays more mainstream songs. I’m not sure if that was because a complaint went through or she just decided to change the music. Several commenters tried to guess the song in question but none of them were it. When I googled the lyrics, nothing came up. I can only assume the music didn’t have an actual record label behind it and was some sort of garage band home job CD. The sound quality was good, so someone had a decent setup, but it wasn’t an officially released song. On the plus side, I moved out of state a few months ago and am continuing my life away from the store and the toxic manager. According to friends among the staff, she still works there, and bullies the staff for not working fast enough. She manages to keep it just below the threshold of crossing legal lines, such as trying to push unpaid work. But it’s apparently a job that doesn’t exactly get the cream of the crop employee-wise due to the hours and minimum wage pay. So people who work there now are sort of desperate to get a job and not likely to produce high turnover rates. Nevertheless, I am free and clear, and going to a local college for a degree in a better field. 3. How am I supposed to contact a friend of my dad’s? (#4 at the link) I wrote to you about how I had moved to a new city, and my dad was pushing me to get in touch with an old colleague of his. At the time I was a bit annoyed (my parents have always been a little too in my business), but you encouraged me to meet the contact. We had a nice coffee, he was very friendly, spoke warmly of my dad, and welcomed me to the city with some tips for fun things to do. About a year later my dad was in town and we all went to a nice lunch. Alison, my dad passed away this year. After he died, I reached out to his colleague to share the sad news, and he replied with a lovely and thoughtful note. In addition, my dad was an expert in a niche topic, and ran a popular website about it for a number of years, in addition to writing some books. It was through this topic that he met his old colleague. I am a writer as well, and after giving it much thought, decided to take over the website and continue his work. His colleague was delighted to hear about it and said he would be happy to help. Although my dad’s nagging annoyed me at the time, I’m so glad now that I honored his wishes and met his friend. 4. Is a past run for office keeping me from getting job interviews? (#5 at the link) I got a new job with the candidate info still on my resume! It was actually pretty quick (I had submitted the application before I wrote to you/had the letter answered). I started in mid-November. It’s a much bigger org than I’m used to, but I’m excited for this next step in my career. I hope to be here for a long time, but when the time comes, I’m still going to remove the candidacy from my resume moving forward and just leave it on my LinkedIn. Thanks again so much for all your amazing advice! Commenters, too — y’all are great. 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updates: boss says parents can’t be good at their jobs, how to get coworkers to actually help, and more by Alison Green on December 19, 2024 It’s “where are you now?” month at Ask a Manager, and all December I’m running updates from people who had their letters here answered in the past. Here are five updates from past letter-writers. 1. My boss says people can’t be good at their jobs if they have kids or sick relatives I’m still at the job. I think part of the issue was that Aria was really overworked and stressed out and I was coming off as too blase. She’s since come to trust that I actually know what I am doing and get stuff done so I had a good annual review and we get along. We also hired more staff for our team, so she has more support. I’ve been pretty firm with my boundaries and allowing my reports to prioritize their health and family when needed. I’ve also taken time off for family emergencies, unapologetically, even missing important meetings to do so. It was a rocky start but things are manageable now and I’ve learned I need to present as more serious moving forward. I am looking for a new job that will allow me to prioritize my family more, the job market is tight in my field so that might take another year or two. Thanks for publishing my letter and to the commenters who correctly noted that it wasn’t a great environment and that I also might be giving off flaky vibes. 2. How do I ask for things and get people to actually help me (as a manager and as a volunteer)? I have to report mixed results. First, thank you to you and your readers for your comments. I had read the post, and spent a long time reading all of the comments. Thank you to all of you who took the time to respond. I wasn’t able to respond in the comments in the way that I wanted, but I did read them all. Something that I had mentioned to Alison afterwords, but didn’t put in my initial question, is that I am a Black woman, and I wondered how much of my inability to get help from people was due to my communication style, and how much wasn’t. I know that it’s both. Some things have changed, and some have stayed the same. I have taken from Alison and the commentariat to be specific in my requests for help. In my work, I continue to find that while the people who report to me lend a hand, the same does not extend to my direct manager nor the people who are at the same level as me. However, a new person joined our team this year, and he has been great about helping me. For example, I asked my same level colleagues to please help me with a specific, time-sensitive task (for example: “these teapots need to be glazed, and there’s no one available to do it. I need you to join me on Tuesday at noon to get them glazed, as they are being fired on Wednesday morning. It should take about 10 minutes to get the teapots painted”). No one responded to my messages, but he showed up to help paint the pots. I’m hoping that this help will continue. Unfortunately, I have learned that I will simply not get the help from the rest of my colleagues, but have learned who in other locations I can reach out to for help or advice. As for my board, the lack of willingness to help is part of a larger issue that we see with a lack of engagement by the board members. That is something that we have been trying to work on with the members. I did find out that one of the reasons that people didn’t respond to my message asking for help with fundraising is because they couldn’t access the link (not because it was sent on a Friday — it’s a volunteer board, and I can’t send messages during the work day). Again, I have been working on being specific about what help I need. This year, I was clear that I couldn’t help with fundraising, and could only do one specific task, and let everyone else be responsible for the other things. I also exit-counselled one of our board members off the board (after she stopped taking minutes, tone policed me after I called her on it, then stopped attending meetings) and found new board members. I decided that last year was going to be my final year as chair and recently stepped down. This is my final year on the board, and I will move on to new opportunities. I will continue to work on clear, specific requests for help, and hope that things get better. 3. My coworker announced she’s quitting and now is upset that she wasn’t invited to a conference (#3 at the link) So, our coworker did not move out of state to be with her boyfriend immediately and actually moved only a week ago (10 months later) because her job search was so difficult. In the meantime, she actually did go to the conference! From information I didn’t have at the time (but now know) is that other staff who were chosen for the conference were also planning on quitting sooner than her but for graduate school. My boss at the time equated their departures for graduate school as more worthy of professional development than her departure … which frankly was completely unfair. She brought this up and he agreed and rectified it by giving her his place at the conference. All was done right by Helga. Since then there were some major changes on our team. Our boss moved into a new position in a different group as part of a promotion and I was placed into an interim supervisor role for my group. To hopefully ease some of the frustrations people had with this situation I’ve been more transparent in getting people more equal access to conferences and making sure they know which ones are on our radar so they can be better informed ahead of time and decide based on personal lives what will work best for them. I recently sent out a big list to employees which conferences we can go to and all the details — then I had them send back a ranked list of ones they could attend and were most interested in. I think overall everyone appreciates being able to choose and figure out what works for their life better even if they know they won’t be able to go to more than one or so in a year. And to Allison’s advice also not give off a perceived preference towards people on who ends up going or not. 4. Coworker’s office is gun-themed (#2 at the link) I loved reading the comments and discussion on this topic. Home office decor is highly personal, and with that thought, I decided to not say anything (and, the co-worker in question was assigned to a different project and we didn’t have many meetings together). However, in the last month our work got closer again – and now this co-worker uses an aggressive background blur. So although I didn’t say anything to him in the end, I imagine someone else did. 5. Is this too many interviews? (#3 at the link) Thank you for answering my question. Commenters clearly have very strong feelings about the interview process! Lots of speculation but I assure all that this was very much an entry level role and we’re not trying to sneakily underpay a mid-level. We hired someone fresh out of university with a few internships under their belt. For context, my hiring process was happening in the midst of a wider organizational rejig of the hiring process so there was not a lot of up to date guidance. My team is small and retention on it is high, but this is the first entry level we’ve hired for in several years and was trying to avoid some pitfalls I saw on other teams and ended up trying to over engineer slightly. After I flagged candidates from review of CV/cover letters, I did round one interviews with six people with a colleague and moved 3 candidates to a written skills assessment (short, discussed in interview, explicitly designed to take 30 minutes, really important for the role). That actually cut down our field to one person, so was a really useful tool! I still had the candidate meet with the ED as the hire would partially support him (20% of role) and thought it was important for the candidate to have the chance to connect before the role started given that they would be working together. The new hire has been in the role for five months and is doing very well and looking forward to supporting his further growth in the role and wider team. You may also like:I'm getting stuck with extra work because I don't have kidsshould we give extra sick days to employees who can't work from home?my boss keeps bringing her sick child to work { 21 comments }
update: I promoted one employee instead of her coworker, and now my whole team is upset by Alison Green on December 19, 2024 It’s “where are you now?” month at Ask a Manager, and all December I’m running updates from people who had their letters here answered in the past. There will be more posts than usual this week, so keep checking back throughout the day. Remember the letter-writer who promoted one employee instead of her coworker, and now their whole team was upset? Here’s the update. I did follow your advice by not asking Annie to do or say anything with respect to the overall dynamic on the team. I always knew that I couldn’t do that, really; I wrote the letter in a frustrated moment. That moment has passed and the team has moved on to other concerns. Beth is settling into her position. Annie has not quit, and I don’t know to what extent she has looked elsewhere. There has been no further conflict between Annie and Jane. I made the original letter as short and simple as possible, but I can give a bit more background for your interested commenters. (I’m sure Annie would appreciate their outrage on her behalf!) The promotional opportunity was dictated by our corporate headquarters 3000 miles away, and officially I’m not the decision-maker although I led the interview team and my recommendation was accepted. An outside candidate was not an option because policy that comes from high above me requires an internal promotion, and frankly I agree that that’s a good policy given the nature of the position. The work is a bit esoteric. Moving Beth to a different team upon promotion was also not a realistic option because our team is the only one in our geographic area. There was a formal, standardized application process which involved Annie and Beth answering the same questions in their respective interviews. The one question Annie answered poorly was the one that, considering her history, she had to answer perfectly: how do you handle stress? That is the source of the “volatility” I mentioned: she occasionally handles stress by screaming and crying. These incidents have come multiple years apart, so I’d hesitate to brand her a high-drama-high-performer, but I’d also hesitate to place her in a permanent position of authority. A previous manager pushed her to speak to a counselor and to her credit she did. I thought that she had gotten herself under control, but then came the head butting between Annie and Jane. Some of Annie’s complaints about Jane were legitimate and steps have been taken to correct that. However, Annie’s delivery of her concerns involved name calling, which is obviously not acceptable. Literally the only criticism that has ever appeared in Annie’s evaluation is “handle stress better.” It hasn’t happened yet, but I haven’t given up entirely — for Annie’s own sake as well as for the sake of the people around her. I do remain surprised that she received so much support from her colleagues when she was passed over for the promotion considering that her history is common knowledge. As for why I would ever have fantasized about asking Annie to diffuse the tension when she’s too volatile for promotion? Because 99% of the time she’s Dr. Jekyll. But the 1% of the time that she’s Ms. Hyde is still 1% too much when there is a more stable option. You may also like:I promoted one employee instead of her coworker, and now my whole team is upsetmost popular posts of 2022most popular posts of 2020 { 33 comments }
update: I’m in charge of our disgusting office kitchen by Alison Green on December 19, 2024 It’s “where are you now?” month at Ask a Manager, and all December I’m running updates from people who had their letters here answered in the past. There will be more posts than usual this week, so keep checking back throughout the day. Remember the letter-writer who was in charge of a disgusting office kitchen? Here’s the update. Thank you so much for publishing my letter! When I wrote in earlier this year I was truly at my wits end — quite possibly because of the many other (more important) tasks I was juggling. Cleaning the kitchen was the last thing I wanted to do, the least important thing on my list, and the only thing I could focus on. Essentially the situation remains the same but the resolution comes from a major attitude adjustment. Instead of jumping up and rushing to clean dirty dishes or empty the food trap when people complain, I mostly just sigh and say, “Yeah these people man. What can ya do?” The person who was complaining usually takes this response as a sign to clean the kitchen themselves which wasn’t what I was expecting at all. Who knew apathy would be my saving grace! Thank you to the comment thread for your suggestions as well! It seems my struggles are not unique (though I hope the person who noted they would fire an admin who tosses out dirty dishes does some reflection on their priorities…) and it was great to hear I’m not alone in this. Some details not originally included: – We do have a dishwasher and I will spare you all the crazy ways I have seen that thing loaded. It is still remarkable to me that people would rather leave spaghetti dishes in the sink instead of popping them into the dishwasher, but who am I to judge? I run the dishwasher at the end of the day and unload it in the morning. If I forget, I forget and the world keeps spinning. – I do a weekly fridge purge on Fridays (which has been in place since I started but I neglected to mention in my previous letter) but have doubled down that anything unlabeled will be thrown away. We have a large portion of our staff that irregularly work over the weekends and many folks forget to label their leftovers so this is not a perfect system but those who have lost meals to the purge tend to start labeling things in the future. I have also written up a proposal for a kitchen rotation by department that me and my boss are trying to get off the ground once the dust settles on some other policy changes that are being implemented. All in all, I still fear for the way people treat their homes if this is how they treat the office, but I have chosen to breathe deep and rise above. Thanks again! You may also like:I'm in charge of our disgusting office kitchenmy boss pees in a cup and dumps it in the kitchen sinka follow-up on the boss dumping pee in the sink ... with Ask a Clean Person { 51 comments }
my favorite posts of 2024 by Alison Green on December 19, 2024 Here are my favorite posts of 2024, in no particular order: 1. how much can I pet my cat on video calls? Because this is asking the important question. 2. I spent a ton of time helping 2 employees who hate each other … now they’re dating Because people are so weird. 3. I think our intern prank-called us Because the kids are alright. 4. can I bring a friend-with-benefits back to my hotel on a work trip? Because this hits perfectly at the intersection of work and life that’s so interesting. 5. our admins hate all the coffee I buy the office, but they insist I have to keep trying Because … what!? 6. men are hitting on my scheduling bot because it has a woman’s name Because of course they are. 7. my new hire’s office looks like a dark, flickering bat cave Because this is hilarious and yet you’d have to address it, and that combo is my favorite. 8. the plant saver, the altruistic horse, and other stories of kindness at work Because this is lovely. You may also like:my favorite posts of 2020my favorite posts of 2017can I bring a friend-with-benefits back to my hotel on a work trip? { 53 comments }
what’s your company doing for the holidays this year? by Alison Green on December 19, 2024 What’s your company doing for the holidays this year? Party on a boat that you can’t escape from and which will produce a confrontational email the following Monday? Potluck with questionable contributions? Swanky hotel party complete with lines of coke? Please share in the comment section! You may also like:can we tell our company we want cash instead of a holiday celebration?my boss was furious that I went to a work party after calling out sickwe can only bring our spouses to the holiday party if we have kids { 407 comments }
director lied to HR about what I told him, fiance’s boss makes me cut her hair, and more by Alison Green on December 19, 2024 I’m on vacation. Here are some past letters that I’m making new again, rather than leaving them to wilt in the archives. 1. My director lied to HR about what I told him I’ve worked at my job for a little over two years. Six months after I started, my new boss Pam was hired. Working with her has been challenging, and other departments have been complaining about her unprofessional behavior and tendency to snap at people, bully, and generally be unpleasant. My department had our once-a-year meetings with our department director, Adam, and all shared how difficult working with Pam has been. I don’t expect anything to actually be addressed (whole other issue with having a department director who is terrified of “confrontation”) but figured that at least now he had all the information and it was up to him how to proceed. Well, about a week later, my coworker told me that our HR director stopped by and told her how glad she was that it had all been resolved. What? Turns out Adam went to the HR director and said we had all separately come to him in the week after our meetings and told him that everything had been resolved, it was just stress from our conference, Pam was fine, everything was great, and there were no issues. This conversation never happened. Not only did it not happen, it couldn’t have happened because he and I weren’t in the office at the same time for that entire week, and my other coworkers also didn’t have this conversation with him. Things with Pam definitely haven’t been improved, and one of our team members is leaving rather than continue working with her. I spoke to our HR director and clarified that I’d never had this conversation with Adam, but I’m not sure what to do next. She believed me and seemed disappointed but I’m not sure anything further will happen. I feel weird meeting or talking to him now, knowing that he’d outright lie to another director about a conversation with me that never happened. Should I talk to him about it? I can’t get past that he’d do something so bizarre. Wow. Assuming your other coworkers didn’t tell Adam everything was okay (which is a possibility you’ve got to consider!), this is a serious breach from Adam — it’s a violation of his responsibility to your team, and it’s a violation of his responsibility to the company. It’s pretty shocking, actually. It’s a flagrant lie in service of … what? His desire to avoid conflict? His desire to make HR think he has everything under control? Whether or not to say something to him depends on how much you trust he won’t penalize you for it. If you feel safe speaking up, I’d say, “Jane told me you said we all told you our concerns about Pam had been resolved. I didn’t say that and don’t feel that way. Did I say something to give you that impression?” … and, “I continue to think the problems with Pam are serious ones, and I’ve clarified that to HR.” Encourage your coworkers to talk to HR directly too so that HR is clear on (a) how much of a problem Pam really is and (b) the extent of Adam’s lie. It’s also reasonable for you to say to HR, “I’m concerned that Adam heard us speak up about a serious problem but then told you we changed our minds and there are no issues. This wasn’t a misunderstanding; I don’t know how to read it as anything other than an attempt to mislead you. Where do we go from here?” – 2019 Read an update to this letter here. 2. My fiance’s boss makes me cut her hair My question is centered around my fiancé’s boss. I’m a hair stylist, he works in marketing. When his boss found out I do hair, she told him she wanted to come to me to get her hair done. He wasn’t sure at first because we try to keep our personal lives and work lives separate, but she insisted. She says I have to do it for free. She doesn’t just want a quick trim. I have to relax her hair, dye it lighter, cut it, and style it. The process of doing her hair takes hours and I can’t work on other clients during that time, and it costs hundreds of dollars. She doesn’t pay for it or leave me a tip. It ends up costing me money because I’m an independent contractor. I rent my chair in the salon and I have to give the salon a cut of all the money I get paid. She also snaps her fingers at me to get my attention and can sometimes be stuck-up to me and my colleagues and other clients. One time she got mad when I told her my hair color was mine and not dyed after she asked how I keep my bleached hair so healthy and she told my fiancé I had a bit of an attitude. She is not pleasant to work on or be around. I only said yes to doing her hair because my fiancé begged me to do it since she kept asking him and would not take no for an answer. I thought it would be a one time thing. I can’t keep doing her hair because I’m losing money and this is making me look bad in front of my colleagues and our other clients. It’s straining our relationship. I’m emailing you because I have had it. In order to get her to stop, what should my fiancé say? (I can’t do it because she’s not my boss and besides, if I do she’ll just run to him and get on his back about it.) Actually, I’d try handling this yourself rather than going through your fiancé. The next time she calls you to schedule an appointment, why not tell her that the salon you work at is no longer allowing you to accept non-paying clients? Or that you’re fully booked for the next four months? Or even just say, “I need to let you know ahead of time that can’t do your hair for free anymore. My rate is $X. Would you still like to book the appointment?” (And there’s nothing wrong with adding a “jerk fee” on to your rate to account for the pain in the ass you know she’ll be.) If your fiancé thinks this will go over better if she hears it from him first, then he can certainly convey any of this to her. But the key for both of you is to just be matter-of-fact when you deliver the message. Don’t dance around it or try to sugarcoat it. Tell her directly and matter-of-factly as if of course this makes sense, because it does. If she pushes back, just cheerfully say, “Nope, sorry, I do need to charge!” (Or that you don’t have room in your schedule, or so forth.) – 2018 3. I don’t want to fist-bump my coworker multiple times a day This seems so petty and insignificant in the grand scheme of things but it’s bugging me and I’m not sure how to handle it. Fergus is my peer and we have the same title and work in the same department. Broadly speaking, we’re supervisors in customer service. Part of our job involves walking around to ensure that no one needs help answering difficult questions for our clients. So we’re frequently mobile and moving around between desks. My issue is that Fergus will, at least a couple of times a day, come over and offer his hand for either a fist-bump or high-five during his interactions with me. He does this with everyone as far as I can tell — men, women, young, old, direct reports, peers, etc. There’s no rhyme or reason. Sometimes it’s part of a “Hey, great job!” recognition but other times it’s just part of him saying “I’m leaving for lunch now” or there’s no reason at all, he just comes by and sticks his hand out. I don’t want to be a stick in the mud because I’m positive his intentions are pure and it’s just part of his way of communicating, but I truly do not want to make physical contact with any of my coworkers beyond the occasional necessary handshake. Social conventions make me feel obligated to return the gesture but I’m internally rolling my eyes as hard as possible while doing so. However, I’m at a loss on how to decline to participate in this without sounding like a complete jerk. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. A couple of times a day?? If it were, like, a couple of times a month or even once a week, I’d tell you to think of it the same way you would a handshake, where it would generally come across as rude to refuse (aside from the obvious exceptions, like sickness). But a couple of times a day is weirdly frequent, and you can opt out. Next time he sticks out his hand for a fist bump or high five or whatever, try saying, “You know, I’m not really a fist bumper” or “I’m not a big high fiver.” And then follow it up with something else so that statement isn’t just hanging between you in silence. The whole thing might sound like, “You know, I’m not really a fist bumper — but have a great lunch!” or “You know, I’m not really a high fiver, but yeah, I’m excited that we’re publishing the paper!” (This approach is suitable for unwanted hugs, too — “I’m not a hugger but it’s great to see you,” etc.) Say it matter-of-factly and cheerfully. You want your tone to convey “this is just a useful thing to know about me … and also, I still like you,” not “you have offended me by trying to touch my skin.” You might have to do this a couple of times before the message sinks in, but I bet he’ll get the message after the second time. He might think you’re a little weird, but hey, you already think he’s a little weird so maybe that’s okay. And if you’re concerned about him thinking you’re being chilly, make a point of counteracting that by being purposefully warm to him in other ways — say something genuinely enthusiastic about the thing he wants to high-five you for, ask him how his day is going when you see him in other contexts, compliment some work he did that you genuinely like, and so forth. – 2019 Read an update to this letter here. 4. Visitors decline my beverage offers but then accept it from other people I work as a receptionist in an office. I always offer guests who come to meet with people in the office (for interviews or meetings) coffee and water. Some people say yes, some people say no. Several times now, people have said, ”No thanks, I just had some” or just a simple ”No thanks,” BUT when the person who they are there to see comes and ask if they want coffee, the guest says ”YES please, I would LOVE some.” One time, one asked if they had been offered coffee and the guest said, “No I haven’t, but I would like some.” Why does this happen? Why do they say yes when I literally asked five minutes ago? Do they not want to say no the person they are seeing, even though they don’t actually want it? Do they want to seem like a yes person? When they say no and then yes, it makes it look like I haven’t offered. I’ve already told my manager about this- just in case other employees tell her I never offer. So at least if that happens, she knows I actually do ask. It can’t be something I’m doing wrong, right? I mean, there are only so many ways to politely ask someone if they would like something to drink. So this makes me wonder, the next time I go to an interview, should I say yes to coffee or water even though I don’t want any? Would it look bad if I say no? Some people who say no and then yes have probably just changed their minds. They may have said no without thinking and then realized, “Actually, coffee sounds good!” And yes, others might figure they should accept an offer of hospitality from their interviewer, when they didn’t feel that same dynamic with you. Other people are “Aw, hell, they’ve asked twice, I’ll just say yes” people. Or they might be thinking it would be weird to walk into the interview with coffee, but then when the interviewer themselves offers, they decide it’s fine. In other words — there are lots of explanations here, and it’s (a) nothing you’re doing wrong and (b) nothing you should worry about. When you yourself are interviewing, you can accept coffee/water if you want it, and decline it if you don’t. It’s fine either way. (That said, I did once work with someone who was convinced that she could tell things about candidates by how they handled the offer of a beverage. I asked her about it a long time ago and quoted her in this post, where she said, “It’s a measure of politeness extended, politeness rejected or accepted, and how it’s done. I don’t care if they accept the drink or not, but I do pay attention to how they respond to the offer. Also, I pay attention to whether they dispose of the cup themselves, or leave it for me to do myself. Tells me so much about what kind of person they are.” I think that’s reading far too much into it, but it’s certainly worth remembering that whatever you do, you should be polite about it.) – 2019 4. My boss takes all the work I work on a small team, led by a supervisor, “Ned,” who has normally been great. Our team members, including Ned, have equivalent qualifications in our field, though Ned is by far the most experienced. He participates in every project he has time for, on top of his normal tasks. He absorbs new skills like a sponge, almost never delegating new projects to us. When upper management passes special projects down to the team, he intercepts them. If there’s a conference, he’s the only one to attend. What’s baffling is that he has been in this position for about 15 years, and doesn’t seem interested in an upper management role. The problem isn’t that he takes on more than he can handle. It leaves the rest of us drumming our fingers and without enough work to do. When we suggest new projects, he immediately shuts them down. He won’t consider sharing his responsibilities. I’m fighting for work I’m qualified to do. I don’t have a sense of what could be making him think that we can’t handle it, or why he’s so driven to outperform everyone else. We’re on the same team! He does have a good handle on the other elements of management. Getting him to delegate real tasks to the team is the difficulty, especially since it’s hard for us to improve without new skills. Maybe the answer is to be more assertive about asking for projects. Maybe we’re sending nonverbal signals that we don’t want to step up our game. Any advice for taking control of the situation? Talk to him about it! He may have no idea that he’s stifling the rest of you. He may even think that he’s saving you from work, not realizing that you’d like to have that work. Alternately, it’s possible that this is stemming from insecurity, where he’s afraid that if other people develop their skills, he’ll be outshone … not realizing that would actually reflect well on him as a manager. (And presumably not realizing that giving people opportunities to increase their skills and contribute at higher and higher levels is what a good manager should do, if the context allows for it.) If that’s the problem, you may run into more resistance. But either way, step one is to talk to him. Say something like this: “I’m really interested in taking on projects like X and Y. I’d like to develop my skills in ABC and I can’t do that without the chance to work on new types of projects. I also often end up without enough work to fill my weeks, and I’m much happier when I’m busy. Would you consider sending more work my way, and in particular things like XYZ?” If he resists, you could say, “To be honest, this is directly tied to my job satisfaction here. It’s really important to me to get opportunities to take on new things so that I’m not stagnating. If you don’t think I’m ready for those types of projects now, can we talk about what I’d need to work on improving in so that I’m able to take them on in the future?” – 2018 You may also like:my director lied to HR about me, company wouldn't tell us our coworker was gone, and moredealing with a horrible, lying director and management that won't actmy terrible intern is a VIP's son and can't be fired { 130 comments }