weekend open thread – January 11-12, 2025 by Alison Green on January 10, 2025 This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand. Here are the rules for the weekend posts. Book recommendation of the week: Long Bright River, by Liz Moore. It’s SO GOOD! It’s the story of two sisters, close as children but estranged as adults. When one becomes a police officer while the other struggles with addiction. When the younger sister goes missing, the other tries to find her. I thought this would be a gritty police procedural, which isn’t normally my thing, but it’s a beautifully layered literary exploration of family bonds and addiction that will get you right in the gut. The best book I’ve read in months. (Amazon, Bookshop) * I earn a commission if you use those links. You may also like:all of my 2023 and 2024 book recommendationsall of my book recommendations from 2015-2022the cats of AAM { 817 comments }
open thread – January 10, 2025 by Alison Green on January 10, 2025 It’s the Friday open thread! The comment section on this post is open for discussion with other readers on any work-related questions that you want to talk about (that includes school). If you want an answer from me, emailing me is still your best bet*, but this is a chance to take your questions to other readers. * If you submitted a question to me recently, please do not repost it here, as it may be in my queue to answer. You may also like:is it weird to start dressing like my boss?my coworker is blackmailing me not to take time off for my honeymoonneed help finding a job? start here { 964 comments }
how can I convince a new job to let me work from home, staff gets ready to leave before the end of their shift, and more by Alison Green on January 10, 2025 It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go… 1. How can I advocate to work from home in an interview when it seems against company culture? I have been a full-time remote employee since late 2017. This organization has always been fully remote and I have thrived in this environment. I do good work and feel close to my colleagues, whom I see in person once or twice a year. I do not feel I am missing out by being in an office nor do I feel my job would be better done in an office environment. Probably important to note is that my organization is a consultancy, working with clients across the U.S. For reasons that have nothing to do with the work set-up, it’s time for me to move on from this role. A former colleague has offered me a position that would be very similar to my current role, except I’d be doing it in-house rather than for external clients. Salary is market-low and healthcare premiums are extremely expensive, but the work seems interesting. More than anything, I’m ready for a change from my current situation, so would be willing to give it a shot. During my first conversation with my former colleague, who would be my boss, she reiterated that the role would be completely remote, but it’d be ideal if I could travel to the office for a few days once a month. The office is located 2.5 hours from my home, which is not ideal but fine. Since that conversation, however, I’m getting the vibe that it might not be as remote-friendly as my former boss presented, and I am worried about getting into a situation where I may be forced into coming into the office regularly or losing my job. Glassdoor is riddled with reviews about how no one is allowed to work from home and how the CEO is vocally against it. Then, I received an email from my would-be-boss asking if I would consider moving to the area where the job is in exchange for $5,000 in moving expenses. (And no, I would absolutely not move to this area, especially for the salary offered.) I am confident this will come up in my interview with the CEO, which is this Friday. What aspects of WFH productivity should I come prepared to defend? And how can I assess for red flags that might indicate a WFH bait-and-switch? My husband is a stay-at-home-dad with much less marketable skills than me, and being let go from a job would be financially devastating to my family. We already live paycheck to paycheck, so if I take this role, I need to make it work. You’re not going to be able to change the CEO’s mind on remote work. The Glassdoor reviews make it clear people who work there have already tried; as an outside candidate, you’re not going to succeed where they failed. More importantly, you should not take this job. Or at least you shouldn’t take it without a very direct conversation with the hiring manager about what you read on Glassdoor. Unless she says, “Oh, that was the previous CEO; the new one is much more WFH-friendly and the culture has totally changed,” this is a recipe for bad things. Even if you get the remote work agreement in writing, they can decide to change it at any time, and you can end up subject to a lot of pressure to move … or not included in projects, info distribution, and collaboration that you would need to do well in the job … or may simply end up getting told they’ve decided it’s not feasible to have someone remote after all. If you were comfortable with that risk, it would be one thing — but you’re describing it as financially devastating. This isn’t even a job you’re all that excited about! Throw in the low salary and high health insurance premiums, and it’s not a job that fits your needs. 2. I accidentally left the pumping room a mess I am so embarrassed right now. I want to hide under my desk. I have been pumping in an unused breakroom/ storage room in our office. Cases of water bottles are piled so high that the space can’t be used for much, but there is a table and chair and enough space for my needs. There is no lock, but I have put up a sign and have had no issues thus far. Monday, our afternoon meeting ran long (it is an at-work phone meeting, so I was pumping during it in the room). I had to rush out the office to get my daughter at daycare. Tuesday, I unexpectedly had to stay at home with my older daughter. I had the thought, “I should get my pump.” However, I would have had to make my six-year-old walk with me the few blocks from/to the parking garage in the freezing weather and then climb six floors to my parking space in the garage (the elevator is broken). So I just let it go. Today the office manager let me know that my boss saw a mess in the pumping room and got very upset. There was dried milk on the table and pumping equipment out. I am sure it looked awful, and I am so humiliated. Yep — I left my pump, a boob flange, and my bag out on the table with the door open. Of course I will not do this again, but should I tell my boss it was an anomalous occurrence? I don’t know how I will ever look at him again. He is older generation and so far I thought I was doing a good job of being discreet about having to pump at work. I am 100% sure he was grossed out. I don’t want to debate on whether or not he should have been grossed out. It was messy and had bodily fluids (can I crawl in a hole forever?) and things that go on my boobs on the table. Help! You didn’t pee all over the storage room. You left a medical device there. It was an accident, one that won’t happen again. You don’t need to be this mortified! I don’t think you need to address it with your boss unless it’s going to drive you mad if you don’t. But if you really want to, you can shoot him an email (to avoid the awkwardness that it sounds like you’d both feel if you talked face-to-face) and say, “Apologies for leaving the break room a mess — I had to leave unexpectedly, but it was an oversight and I’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again.” That’s really it! Unless your boss is truly out there, he’s not likely to spend a long time stewing over this. 3. Staff gets ready to leave before the end of their shift Am I wrong to be annoyed that my staff — who cover the front desk — have a tendency to go to the staff room and gather their things up 10-20 minutes before their shift ends? We see our last client at 5 pm, but the working hours are 8:15 am to 5:15 pm (with an hour for lunch), in case a client is a few late or someone on their way out needs something, and to just wrap up and close their computers down and whatnot. I feel it isn’t the best presentation for the front to be “pretty much closed” at 5 pm when there’s still a client to get settled. This expectation has been communicated and has been reiterated. If I ask why they’ve gone to get their things before 5:15, the answer is, “It’s not like I’m leaving yet, I’m just getting ready.” The last time I told them that I did not want them to get their things before clients are finished, having their things on the desk looks like the client is not welcome or is intruding, they just stuck it on the floor. I don’t feel like it is an unreasonable expectation that my staff doesn’t look like they are running out the door when the last client comes in. But am I being overly critical? Does it matter as much as I feel it does? And if I’m right, what do I need to say to change this behavior? It’s reasonable to want the last client of the day to feel welcomed and not as if they’re intruding on people who are trying to leave. I don’t know if your staff gathering up their things early is making people feel unwelcome, but if you think it is, you should indeed explain that and tell people not to do it. I’m curious how firm and direct you’ve been about the expectation: have you been crystal clear (as in “I need you to wait until 5:15 to gather your things”) and they’re flagrantly ignoring that and doing it anyway? If so, you need to get firmer when you see it happening: “We’ve talked about this. I do not want you gathering your things before 5:15 because of the impression it gives clients. If you have a reason to do it earlier, let’s discuss that now so we can hash it out and both be on the same page, but otherwise I need you to follow this job requirement.” But, alternatively, is it possible you haven’t been that clear? If you’ve used softer language (like “I’d prefer you not pack up until the end of the day”), the next step is to be firmer and clearer (“you need to wait until 5:15 to gather your things”). It’s also possible there’s some complicating factor here like they only have three minutes to catch a bus when their shift ends and if they miss it they’re stuck waiting an hour for the next one … in which case you could explore other solutions, like whether there’s a more discreet place they can store their stuff so it’s not right in clients’ faces. (In fact, you might do that anyway, but that would be particular impetus.) 4. Handling persistent pushy requests from a professor when I’ve already said no I’m seeking advice on an ongoing issue with a retired elderly professor emeritus. I am an adult learner in a graduate program. The professor regularly attends our peer teaching session and uses these sessions to advance his own work, including pressuring students to help write chapters for his self published books. He also has sent me numerous emails insisting that I participate as an author in his projects and sign release forms for teaching materials that I created for other purposes for him to use for his own projects. Despite my polite but firm refusals, his requests persist both via email and in person. Although he often says he “respects my decision,” the constant follow-up and pressure to get involved continue. I’ve discussed this issue with colleagues and other professors, and some have advised me to simply stop responding to his emails, as he sends long, stream-of-consciousness messages filled with various demands, random thoughts, and requests. Fortunately the emails to me have mostly stopped for the time being. It seems that most people have just stopped replying to him altogether. I am juggling multiple other commitments and have no desire to be involved in his projects, so I’m leaning toward not responding to his emails anymore if he does this again in future. However, I’m unsure if this is the best approach, as I don’t want to escalate the situation or create any further tension. Should I continue to engage politely but firmly, or would it be better to stop responding entirely? Stop responding. You’ve told him no multiple times and the answer hasn’t changed. And since other people have stopped replying to him, if he has an issue with that he’ll need to take issue with the whole group, not just you, which gives you some degree of cover if that happens. If he ever asks you in person why you haven’t been answering, you can say, “Oh, I’m sorry if I missed something — I’d already answered you about X and Y and didn’t see an additional question in there.” Also, is anyone willing to tell him to knock it off, like another professor? Is it something you and other students can raise on course evaluations? It’s obnoxious behavior, made worse by the power dynamics in play. 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how to ask “did you get my gift?” without sounding like you’re fishing for a thank-you by Alison Green on January 9, 2025 A reader writes: I have an extremely low-stakes question: Is there a way to say “did you receive my gift?” that doesn’t come off as aggressively asking to be thanked but instead expresses what I really want to know, which is, “FedEx/etc said it was delivered but was it really? Or do I need to investigate?” My workplace has a very flexible work-from-home policy so I don’t necessarily see the small team I manage in person on a predictable schedule. This was complicated this year by me catching a cold and working from home the whole last week before our two-week winter break. I sent the same type of gift I send every year (normally very enthusiastically received). I got emails from the vendor that they were delivered, and only one person texted to say she received it. I waited two days and then sent texts to the three others to be sure the gifts arrived. Everyone responded that they had and “thank you” and “sorry, I was waiting to thank you in person (which would have been in over two weeks at that point). Then I felt like I’d been pushy. I honestly just wanted to know if I needed to investigate an issue! This has happened in my personal life as well. Right now it has been over a year since attending my friend’s wedding and I haven’t received a thank-you note for the gift I sent. I’m wondering he thinks I’m cheap or unmannered and just opted out of gifting. I don’t want to ask because several years ago I did ask a friend about a gift more than a year after his wedding and I received a hastily written thank-you note the next week. I don’t need thanks! I just need to know you got it! I was able to solve this with my bother re: gifts for my niblings easily enough; I said that it was important to me to get a “hey, got the package” text, even if it’s not important to him to send one. But I can’t say that to my team members or when it’s a one-off gift. Am I the only one who worries about this and I just need to tamp down my anxiety? Start gifting in person? You are not the only one who worries about this, and you are right that it’s hard to navigate without coming across as if you’re fishing for a thank-you. The easiest way to avoid it is indeed to give the gift in person, but that’s not always possible or practical. The next easiest approach is to send a note close to the time you expect the gift to arrive, saying something like, “I sent you something small in the mail — it should arrive this week.” That way, they’ll know to let you know if nothing arrives. If you want, you can even add, “I’m always nervous about the mail at this time of year so please let me know if it doesn’t arrive.” But after that, you don’t need to follow up; you’ve alerted them that it’s coming, and so the part you’re worried about is taken care of. Of course, it’s still possible that they might not alert you if the gift doesn’t arrive — because they’re forgetful or they feel awkward about telling you they didn’t receive anything — but you’ll have taken reasonable steps and don’t really need to cover every possible base. The exception would be if the gift is something so valuable that it warrants additional follow-up — but I’m guessing you’re not sending team members diamond jewelry or anything like that. Alternately, it’s not that big of a deal if you want to just say, “Hey, did you get the package I sent you?” But since you’re looking for alternatives, these are some. You may also like:is it reasonable to expect to be thanked when I go out of my way for a coworker?we gave an expensive goodbye gift and the person didn't leavehow do I say "no thanks" to a GoFundMe organized on my behalf? { 124 comments }
update: my new boss treats me like his assistant … which isn’t what I was hired for by Alison Green on January 9, 2025 Remember the letter-writer whose new boss treated her like his assistant … which isn’t what she was hired for? Here’s the update. I did follow your advice and speak with HR. They listened to my concerns and to their credit they launched an “investigation.” I know that at some point they found my claims credible and spoke to my boss, “Kevin,” because he did come back to me and say that going forward he would handle his own expense report submissions and wanted me to take on more substantive projects. However, this was short lived. Once he felt the attention of HR removed, he immediately returned to his old tactics of treating me like an admin, refusing to give me substantive projects and resorting to expense submissions, calendar management, and other similar tasks. I once again attempted to speak with HR after he went back to his old ways but they were far less helpful this time and just said that I need to work on communicating with my boss. We then had mid-year performance reviews and while I received exceedingly positive reviews from my peers and stakeholders, Kevin gave me a negative rating. His negative feedback was regarding his complaints about my expense submissions not being timely and my securing restaurant reservations not booked far enough in advance. (I wish I was kidding). I was warned by my predecessor Melissa that he had done this to her before and she had to show HR that she was indeed a high performer and was qualified for the high rating. I did the same and was able to speak to my abilities and performance. Kevin then attempted to put me on a “Performance Improvement Plan” but HR told him he could not do so since I was meeting expectations and my reviews were very positive. He then attempted to skirt this by putting me on an “informal coaching plan,” resulting in him scheduling meetings three times a week to provide “feedback” on where he thought I could improve. The feedback was largely centered on expense submissions, booking travel, and reserving conference rooms. One of his complaints or “feedback” to me was that I booked conference rooms for meetings that he had trouble finding. I pointed out that the floor of our building has multiple maps that show where each conference room is located. He said he didn’t have time to consult a map and my doing so resulted in him being late to meetings. Trust me, this was not why he was late. I should also add, if it’s not already clear, Kevin has a widely known terrible reputation at the company. His team has by far the largest turnover compared to any of his peers and within the past year prior to me 50% of his team have left with many more planning to leave soon. In his mid-year reviews and in team and company surveys, this has been expressed by multiple team members, but management seems unwilling or unable to address this situation. This process ultimately proved unbearable so I made the decision to leave. I know it’s for the best and am grateful to not have to deal with Kevin anymore. I did complete my exit survey and exit interview and, while I’m not confident my feedback will be taken seriously, I did state that whoever they hire to replace me should have an administrative assistant background. I’ve learned that in my absence he spoke to his boss’s chief of staff with a request for her to submit his expenses on his behalf and assist with administrative requests. It’s to be determined on how that’s worked out for him. You may also like:my new boss treats me like his assistant ... which isn't what I was hired forhow do I ask the CEO if I can "borrow" his assistant for my projects?my company makes me front thousands of dollars on my personal credit card { 187 comments }
did a haircut ever change the way you were treated at work? by Alison Green on January 9, 2025 It’s the Thursday “ask the readers” question. A reader writes: I’m a woman job hunting right now and desperately want to buzz my hair. It’s a pretty strong look, and I think it would have the same effect on my search as a bold hair color. I’ll probably do it. But it got me thinking about a period where I went from medium length to very short hair and changed jobs at the same time. I was treated so differently with short hair. People assumed I was quite serious in a way I had never experienced. Wondering if readers have any good stories about a haircut changing the way they were treated at work? Maybe even bad haircuts?! The week before lockdown in NYC, my hairdresser took out all of her anxiety on my hair and it was the worst haircut of my life. Before I realized how serious Covid was, I was glad to not be leaving the house! Readers? You may also like:can I show armpit hair at work?are people judging me for looking scruffy at work?is it OK for job postings to require a "clean-cut appearance"? { 517 comments }
coworkers can’t believe I’m not wearing a coat, asking to work remotely after getting a tattoo, and more by Alison Green on January 9, 2025 It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. Coworkers are very concerned that I’m not wearing a coat I am a relatively young woman (late 20s) in a workplace in which many of my coworkers are twice my age or more, and the profession is heavily skewed female. I’ve been at this workplace for about four months. I leave the building for my lunch break, we all walk to the parking lot together upon closing for the day, and I find myself occasionally going outside for one reason or another. I live in a cold climate, but I hate wearing coats for short trips outside partially because I run hot and partially because of neurodiversity-related sensory issues. I am usually just wearing a thin cardigan if I’m wearing any layers at all. Nine times out of ten, if a coworker spots me leaving the building, they will literally gasp or admonish me in some way for not wearing a coat for what is essentially a 50-foot walk to my car. One has even taken me aside and inquired if I was able to purchase a winter coat and offered to help me buy one, which was an incredibly kind offer but made me feel embarrassed. I know they’re asking out of concern and genuine care, but it makes me feel disrespected and not taken seriously as a fellow professional. I am one of the youngest members of the professional staff and more than one coworker has noted that they have children older than me, so I feel as if I constantly have to prove myself. I usually respond to these comments with something plain (“Thank you, but I’m okay”) or joking (“I’m fine, I’m actually part yeti”) but they continue. How can I reframe my thoughts so that these comments stop bothering me as much as they do? It’s the age thing that’s making this feel as weird as it does; if your coworkers were all your same age and making the exact same comments, I bet it would read differently. But because you’re the youngest — and very aware of it — the comments are landing as if they think you need mothering, which makes you feel babied. Would it help to reframe it as “these are kind people who would express the same concern to a 50-year-old coworker”? I don’t know if that’s true — people do often want to caretake younger coworkers in ways they wouldn’t with older ones — but I also don’t know that it’s not true, so if we’re talking about mental reframing, that might be the way to go. Also, if you’re generally respected at work and taken seriously, it might help to center that in your head — yes, you might be getting more caretaking directed at you because you’re younger, but if your work is taken seriously, that’s what really matters. (If it’s not, that’s a whole different issue, but then that would be more the issue than The Coat.) Also, it might help to start responding with, “I have coats! I just run hot and often don’t wear them.” It might not stop the concerned comments, but it’ll at least establish that you’re not the Little Match Girl. Related: I’ve accidentally convinced my coworkers that I’m homeless – but I’m not! 2. Asking to work remotely after getting a tattoo I work in municipal government under a mayor who banned remote work this year for all municipal employees. Currently, we are only allowed to ask to work remotely if there are extenuating circumstances and if it’s not a recurring request. We can only do so for a day at a time, and it must be approved ahead of time by my grandboss. I am getting a (huge) tattoo for my birthday next week. I am taking the day off for the all-day appointment. The day after, I would be fine to work, except the placement of the tattoo makes it impossible to wear pants in the immediate healing stage. Ideally, I could work from home for the next two days so I don’t use up all my vacation time for this. A doctor’s note is required for sick time. However, I don’t know how to word my request to work remotely! I am the only person in my relatively small department who has requested to work from home under the new policy, and I have used it two or three times since the summer. I am worried that asking for remote work the day after my birthday looks like I am planning to party hard and be hungover — bad optics. I’m hoping you can help me formulate the request to work from home, or that the commenters can give advice on wearing clothes over a large lower back piece. Well … I don’t think you should. To be clear, you should be able to! If your job can be done effectively from home, there’s no reason you should need to use vacation time for this. But look at the facts: your job frowns on remote work and only allows it under unusual circumstances, you’ve already used it a few times since the summer, you’re the only one in your department who has, and the request would be for the two days after a day you’re already taking off. It looks bad. I’m not saying that’s reasonable; it’s not. But that’s the reality you’re working with, with your particular employer’s culture on this. You’d probably be better off getting the tattoo on a Friday and using the weekend for it to heal. I’m sorry, I know that sucks! Your workplace has made their stance pretty clear, though, and this will use too much capital. 3. I think my employee is using AI to produce bad writing I’m a new manager and am almost certain the employee I’m managing is using AI. I think AI works great for certain jobs, but the problem is that he’s using it to generate articles/comms that need to have a lot of nuance. Not only are the same mistakes coming up, but I worry the tone is obvious to others familiar with AI, which is a bit of a reputational risk. I’d ideally want to have a frank discussion about common AI pitfalls so he can avoid those issues, but I’m conscious it may come across as an accusation, which he can deny anyway. Should I just act as if the output is his work and give my edits as normal? Have a conversation with him! Give your edits — both specific edits and broad pattern edits (tone, voice, etc.) — and then say, “I don’t know if you’ve played around with AI for any of this, but some of it reads as sounding AI-generated, so either way it made me realize we should talk about why we don’t and can’t use AI.” If he says he hasn’t been using AI, you can say, “Okay, good. Let’s take a minute anyway to talk about why it’s something we can’t use, in case it ever does come up.” So you’re not getting into whether or not he did; you’re just laying out the reasons your team can’t. And then explain the voice issues, nuance, accuracy, concerns about proprietary info, copyright, or whatever AI problems are relevant in your field (likely all of those at some level or other). 4. Will a new employer let you roll over unused vacation time from your last job? I know someone who is job searching to move to a new city. He works at a hospital in a health care capacity, and has worked at his current employer for 15 years. His vacation accrues with the number of hours worked; if he works extra hours, he accrues more vacation time. He believes he has heard that employers will roll over vacation hours accrued to one another — i.e., that his unused vacation time could be picked up and made already available by the new employer. I told him that there are employers that will allow for negotiating accrual rates (“my previous employer supplied 20 days of vacation accrued over the year, can you match that”), but I’ve never heard of a company providing the accrued but unused time from a previous employer. The hospital system he is currently employed at is only in one state; this isn’t something where you would find it across the nation. Is this something you’ve heard of happening, and if so, in what situation? I really can’t picture this in a nonprofit health setting. No, that’s not a thing that typically happens when you’re moving to an entirely new employer (as opposed to moving around internally). You’re right that you can often negotiate the amount of vacation time you earn each year so that you don’t go from, say, six weeks a year to two, but employers don’t typically “roll over” whatever unused vacation time you have from somewhere else. That’s the other company’s accounting system, not theirs! (Ideally unused time would be paid out when you leave, but not every state requires that. It would be a particularly weird request in states that do … although, really, it’s likely to come across as a pretty strange request everywhere.) 5. My coworker’s out-of-office reply keeps (wrongly) sending people to me Would you consider the ability to put together an out-of-office auto-reply a pretty basic, table-stakes skill? I have a colleague, Barb, who is relatively new to our company (less than a year). We both work in IT and have mutually dependent jobs — think project manager (multiple projects across multiple teams) and team lead (accountable for stakeholder relationships and work prioritization for a team). Barb’s first big project was with me and my team, although she has other accountabilities as well. Not long after Barb started, she had some PTO scheduled and asked if she could list my name in her out-of-office auto-reply. I said that of course she could list me for project X that we were working on together. But I didn’t know her other work, so I didn’t want to be listed as the contact for those other efforts. A few months later, we had more or less the same conversation. Barb asked to list me in her out-of-office; I said only for the project that we were working on together. Time passes, and another PTO comes around. No asking to use my name, which is fine. But then I get a message from a person on a related team asking about something that is Barb’s responsibility. Because Barb listed my name (and only my name) in her out-of-office message. I didn’t check the other two times, but I’m guessing she listed me then as well. Part of me thinks this is so small and not worth following up on. But also, this feels like part of a pattern, where she asks questions in a “I’m new here” way, but when she doesn’t like the answer, she does what she wanted anyway. She’s been in the business world for 20+ years, as have I. I am baffled that someone with this level of experience doesn’t have a grasp of out-of-office message patterns. And even if the pattern at this company is different from what she’s experienced before, being told no twice and just ignoring it really annoys me. Are my expectations unreasonable? That an experienced project manager (1) would be able to put together an out-of-office message without any drama and at the very least would learn after one iteration and (2) wouldn’t blatantly ignore a colleague’s explicit “no”? Your expectations are not unreasonable on either count. That said, this is probably less about her not knowing how to put together an out-of-office and more about general incompetence and/or intransigence. Why not just say, “Hey, please stop listing my name on your out-of-office replies; I’m getting messages from people about things I’m not involved in”? And then if she does it again: “I saw you listed me in your out-of-office again. Is there a reason you’re doing that even though I asked you not to?” And meanwhile, just direct anyone who messages you back to Barb: “I’m not sure why she listed me as the contact; I’m not the right person for that, so you’ll need to check back with her.” You may also like:my dysfunctional office only hires young people because we're "blank slates"my older male colleague gives me condescending, unsolicited advicetaking time off to let a new tattoo heal, boss insults at us the Christmas party, and more { 494 comments }
I’m angry at my coworkers — can I refuse their apology? by Alison Green on January 8, 2025 A reader writes: I was out for a few days recently for personal reasons and came back to discover that two of my colleagues have done something incredibly thoughtless that has completely screwed up a major work product for me and then lied about it to my supervisor, saying I was involved in the decision. I am livid about it, but I don’t know how to cope with this anger in a work situation. They are desperate to talk it out with me and apologize, mainly to make themselves feel better rather than to help me out at all, but for now I’ve sent a message saying that I’m not able to have the discussion with them. My instinct is to just stop talking to them because I don’t feel I can trust them again, but that’s not practical in our work situation and would make everyone else in our close-knit, incredibly friendly team really uncomfortable. Do I just accept their apology and try to get over it, or is there a socially acceptable way to reject someone’s apology? My supervisor (who is not their supervisor) is being helpful with trying to sort out the work stuff but isn’t getting involved in the interpersonal aspect. Your choices aren’t to just accept the apology or reject it. You can sidestep that binary entirely and instead explain why you’re concerned despite the apology. For example: “I appreciate you apologizing, but I’m really concerned about why it happened. I of course understand mistakes happen, but you lying to Jane about it could have caused serious issues for me.” “Concerned” is better framing for most work issues than “angry.” That doesn’t mean you can’t be angry, but the bar is typically very, very high to frame things as anger at work. But you can be deeply, gravely concerned without bumping up against that convention. (More on that here.) On a similar note, if “lying to Jane about it” feels too harsh for your workplace culture (it will for some, despite being true), you can say “misrepresenting it to Jane.” That’s frankly a pretty BS softening — they lied! it’s a lie! — but in some work cultures it’ll go over better / help everyone move forward if you’re not quite as plain-spoken about it. (Is this is a weird, wildly inauthentic thing about work culture? Yes, absolutely.) From there, you’re right that you can’t just stop speaking to colleagues, particularly if you need to work with them. You don’t need to trust them again — and it sounds like you’d be wise not to — but you do need to be reasonably civil to colleagues, including ones you don’t trust. That said, you can certainly limit your interactions to mostly work-related ones. (I say “mostly” rather than “exclusively” because you still need to, for example, return a courteous “good morning” and otherwise engage in at least minimal pleasantries in order to be considered professional and because obvious hostility or freezing-out will make people around you feel uncomfortable.) That doesn’t mean that you’ve forgotten what happened, just that you’re treating them civilly because you are a professional. You may also like:was it unprofessional to say I was angry?when should you expect your boss to apologize?my company's bad decision got me yelled at online (and socially) { 154 comments }
should employees use sick time for doctor’s appointments? by Alison Green on January 8, 2025 A reader writes: As a relatively new manager, I’m wondering about how to navigate sick time. Background: We’re 100% remote. I have weekly standing meetings with employees; apart from that, I don’t require details on what they’re doing through the day. When I know someone is at a doctor’s appointment for a few hours, is it appropriate to ask them to use sick time? They didn’t originally document it as such, and I’m sure made up their work in other ways, but I’m struggling to find the balance between flexibility in the current situation, and enforcing workplace rules. I answer this question — and two others — over at Inc. today, where I’m revisiting letters that have been buried in the archives here from years ago (and sometimes updating/expanding my answers to them). You can read it here. Other questions I’m answering there today include: Asking coworkers to go to vegetarian-friendly restaurants on business trips What do I do when I inadvertently pass on bad info from a coworker? You may also like:can I use sick leave to take my cat to the vet?should we give extra sick days to employees who can't work from home?am I asking too much of a flexible schedule? { 210 comments }
I think my disastrous ex-employee is co-opting queer identity by Alison Green on January 8, 2025 A reader writes: I work in a country with strong job protection, have a boss who is reluctant to do performance improvement, and I just transitioned out of managing a team. One of my reports was a recent-ish hire I’ll call Pam, who is mid-career but entry-level. Pam volunteers for an optional LBGTQ+ employee resource group. She originally joined the group at my suggestion, as a straight ally. (Pam described herself as straight woman with a husband and said she was worried about being seen as homophobic because she is originally from a non-LBGTQ-friendly country.) Pam is now the group lead for our region, which is unusual for an entry-level employee. I accidentally found out that Pam is describing herself as gay/bi/queer, out only to folks associated with the resource group. I am skeptical. I think Pam is straight and exploiting the group … and I’m unsure what my responsibility (if any) is here, as an employee and as a human being. I also think I could be wrong, and I know Pam is a landmine. Knowing the landmine part, though, I feel uneasy for folks in the group, none of whom I know particularly well. Here’s why I think Pam isn’t being truthful. In her short time with our company, she has consistently demonstrated misplaced ambition, attention-seeking, and moral challenges. Pam believes that just spending time around higher-ups will get her promoted, even after being repeatedly told to deliver on her work commitments first. The LBGTQ+ group provides her face time with directors. Pam also craves attention to a disruptive degree: she has DM’d and called busy senior managers 20+ times a day about trivial or non work-related matters and created drama by inventing crises, then casting herself as the heroine. Coming out to coworkers she barely knows and swearing them to secrecy … could be true, but sounds a lot like another “Pam Show” episode. Lastly, Pam has not shown good ethics in the rest of her work. She refuses to do tasks or sabotages them because they are “not important” enough, actively hides her lack of understanding and progress, and disregards instructions. She repeatedly makes careless mistakes, blames others, and breathlessly chases execs like they’re pop stars while disdaining to speak to anyone below senior IC level (i.e., almost everyone who she needs to interact with and learn from). She gets in a spooky rage when spoken to about these problems, brags about how attractive she thinks she is, and tells outright lies that have affected my relationship with my manager. All in all, Pam is not skilled or productive or pleasant to be around and if it weren’t for the labor law protection, I would have fired her outright. So I feel conflicted about her representing an employee group of any kind, even without suspicion of pretense. Pam is a big reason I asked to return to independent contributor status. I think she’s kind of off her rocker and poses a risk, and was not comfortable managing her when I’m not empowered to mete out consequences. By risk, I don’t mean physically dangerous, but her behavior has been so outside workplace norms that I wouldn’t trust sensitive data or anyone’s reputations and careers around her. I have no one at work I can discuss this with. Do I continue to keep my concerns to myself? Leave it alone. You might be right that Pam is straight and pretending not to be in order to gain some form of advantage with people in the LBGTQ group, but it’s also possible that she’s not. It’s not uncommon for someone to describe themselves as straight to one group of people, while being out in another group where they feel safer, or to have their identity genuinely evolve over time. Either way, it’s not something you should get into investigating or opining on. The potential harm if Pam is faking it is vastly outweighed by the messiness and harm of trying to police what sexual orientation people claim (particularly at work). Also, there are much, much bigger issues with Pam! If you were still her manager, my advice would be to tackle those issues very assertively; refusing to do work and sabotaging projects, repeated mistakes, refusing to follow instructions, creating fake crises, interrupting senior managers, and fits of all rage would all be more than enough to focus on without worrying about how she’s identifying to the LBGTQ group, and are all squarely within her manager’s purview. None of that is yours to address anymore since you’re not her manager (although I hope you fully filled in whoever is now her boss about those problems — and if Pam continues to cause issues for your work in your new role, you should raise that to her boss). But you can comfortably put her participation in the LBGTQ group or anything she says about her sexual orientation in the “not my business” column too. You may also like:a VP wants me to out myself at work and won't take no for an answerI manage a gay employee ... and our company is homophobicmy relative is lying about race to get a job in my department { 289 comments }